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in the past the gold standard of

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paranormal radio in 2006 we started the

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power cast with the previous co-host and

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we had no clue where it was going to be

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where I was going to end or begin we

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were just taking a stab in the dark as

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people do shooting from the hip no

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long-range gameplan and over the next

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five and a half years the show became a

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cult favorite around the world last year

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we began being syndicated in the USA on

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the gcn or Genesis communications

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network and folks that's the network on

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which Alex Jones is the premiere act

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he's the show where Charlie Sheen and

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his craziest mode appeared ok so where

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our network with the wild listeners I

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got the word from our affiliate manager

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just a few days ago that effective this

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weekend the power cast debuts on WV NJ

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11:30 a.m. in Teaneck New Jersey which

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covers New York City most of New York

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City Long Island and New Jersey we're in

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the number one market in the nation

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imagine that it's a big time gene well

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we just need some big-time income to go

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with it that would help wouldn't it yeah

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that's exciting news and you know we're

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making inroads in other cities as well

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we'll have updates on how this whole

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thing is developing and it's it's

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exciting I think that there's a

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tremendous thirst out there for people

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to get non true believer and non debunk

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or you know somewhere in between

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information about these wonderful

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subjects that we're also interested in

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and I think it just shows that the

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contacting there there were 80 local

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radio stations and asking for the show

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to be included on there we're really

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starting to see some movement on that

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front and I think Jean if anybody

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deserves to have a you know a bunch of

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big market audiences I think it's a para

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cast I think so too I think that far too

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long we've had certain radio shows that

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are out there just to pander to their

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listeners they're not interested in

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factual information they just want to

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have those wild claims and say gosh

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golly gee whiz isn't this extraordinary

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let's go on to the next guest in the

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next commercial right well we separate

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the signal from the noise that's our

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motto and this week we also have a brand

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new logo on the site courtesy of a

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person who chooses to remain anonymous

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but it's a brilliant piece of artwork

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and it represents our new direction but

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with all the good news there's something

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that's happened out there and I guess we

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got to get in front of the story that's

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not so pleasant nope okay before we

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explain what's going on before we even

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tell you about our great guest for this

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week over the years we've had several

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appearances from a longtime UFO

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paranormal investigator Phil Umbraco he

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reportedly worked with dr. J Allen Hynek

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he investigated sightings for years this

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week he announced that he's pulling out

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of paranormal research but therein lies

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a tale Chris what went on well the para

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cast is is in and I think you know I

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really need to underscore this the para

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listenership and some of our listeners

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tend to be on the uber skeptic side

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almost to the point of being debunkers

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if you will but one thing that you can't

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argue with is good research and when

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phil was on the last time one of our

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listeners just felt something was a

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little strange about him touting the

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Massachusetts Institute of Technology or

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MIT and which he has had as a you know

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he's supposedly just received last year

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his doctorate from MIT and he had a

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master's from there and our listener

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took it upon himself to just double

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check with with MIT about his

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credentials and much to his surprise or

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maybe not he found out that

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there's no record of a film brag no at

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MIT he has sat on this story much to his

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credit to make sure that he's dotted

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dotted his eyes and crossed his T's and

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not gotten ahead of himself here but

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myself and another investigator have

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done some digging into this and sure

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enough there is no record of a film brog

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know at MIT and I mean the guy's been a

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middle school science teacher for I

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think at least 20 years he's written

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some excellent books I've always looked

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up to his work I don't know the man

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personally I've never actually met him

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but I've read quite a number of his

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books which I've thoroughly enjoyed and

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to find out that there's been not only

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an embellishment of educational

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credentials but outright you know

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falsehood about where he has gained his

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postgraduate degrees from and I can't

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find any excuse for that and

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unfortunately we're gonna have to like

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you said genes stay out in front of this

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story and an a said hey this could be

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the reason why mr. Morano has decided to

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totally divest himself from any

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involvement the paranormal field because

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he got caught he's been busted

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red-handed in this this really bums me

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out I mean I've like I said I've looked

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up to Phil I've looked up to his work

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and now it calls all that work is being

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called into question and I really think

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it's unfortunate I think we owe it to

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our audience we owe it to our wonderful

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dedicated listeners who have gone the

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extra extra mile and done the research

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and actually ask the hard questions and

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you know myself and another investigator

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have been able to verify this very

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unfortunate fact and unfortunately we

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have to be the ones to really break the

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news and and tell you we have a major

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scandal here in in you know the realm of

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the UFO and the paranormal it's it's

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it's I'm really sad to have to talk like

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this and and say this but you know a

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facts are facts and you know if you have

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some sort of rationale that you can you

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know come up with mister and brog know

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to explain this discrepancy in what you

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claim and what appears to be the real

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deal you know we invite you to go on

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back on the show here and talk to us

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about it but

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you know gene this really it's just a

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sad day for the field when we find out

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something like this about somebody who

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in high regard unfortunately also and

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shows with Phil over the years

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unfortunately this happens occasionally

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in all fields where people have fake

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credentials and they get busted

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eventually and they of course have to

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pay by being ostracized losing their

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jobs etc we've had situations for

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example in the journalistic industry and

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we'll get into more of this for a reason

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in a moment where newspaper reporters

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for places even like the New York Times

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have made-up stories and as a result

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they get fired I believe one person want

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a Pulitzer Prize based on a made-up

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story I might have that information

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wrong it happens occasionally it's

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unfortunate that people do this in all

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walks of life they fake their

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credentials now as a matter of fact if

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you want to ask about my credentials I

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have none I don't pretend to have

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anything I have a college-level

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education on broadcasting that's it

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folks the rest is from the school of

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hard knocks that's all I know

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so if you like what I say it's not

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because of my education I hope I've

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learned a few things in the last 400

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decades but that's it I'm not claiming

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anything special and I know Chris has

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had this incredible amount of field

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research experience but he's not here

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touting his great doctorates all

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thousand doctors that he has you know

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like his research if you appreciate what

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he does if you like him on the show and

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he gets better and better every week and

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that's not something just something to

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say I've been listening to the show as I

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do post-production and he's getting

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better and better he's really a crack

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interviewer he has a wealth of knowledge

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we having only begun to tap and this

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could be better for everyone I mean this

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man is fabulous I think our listeners as

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you learn to know Chris as I do as a

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friend as a colleague and also as an

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expert investigator you'll appreciate

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that that's one way where we're blessed

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on the podcast we have a real field

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investigator not just a couple of radio

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broadcasters and we're gonna have also

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in just a minute or two here a real

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journalist

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Enquirer and people say Wow Oh cat show

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business and scandals and all that crazy

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stuff no Paul banister ordinate he's a

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lot more Paul banister is a serious

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journalist with an incredible background

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and war stories like you can't believe

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he's got a new book out called tabloid

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man that's just reaching the stands I

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know that the printed edition should

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arrive in the United States soon as

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available as an e-book and believe you

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me he worked for the National Enquirer

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during their heyday in the 1980s and he

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met the rich and the famous even Prince

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Charles can you believe that you know

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you can't wait this is gonna be such a

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fun episode it just reminds me of that

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wonderful scene in the original Men in

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Black movie where Tommy Lee Jones stops

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at the newsstand picks up one of the

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tabloid rags and you know of course Will

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Smith goes what are you readin f where

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he goes whoa you know I gotta find out

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what's going on out there and he says

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you don't believe that and he says well

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there's got to get this information out

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to the public somehow Paul banisters get

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the word out coming up next on the pair

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[Music]

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tall Bannister the book is called

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tabloid man and the baffling share of

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death with a subtitle revealed shocking

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secrets of the scandal sheets I'm Jean

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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you're in the para cast now as I was

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saying in the preamble with Chris years

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ago we always thought of the tabloids

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the supermarket tabloids as it were as a

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sleazy form of journalism you didn't

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take him seriously I guess until Center

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for John Edwards and his secret came out

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because of the National Enquirer so of

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all the things one wants to do how did

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you get yourself working with one of

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those publications well hello Jane Chris

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well he's straightforward I was working

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for national newspapers in Britain I'd

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worked for the Daily Mail and the Sun

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and the telegraph and I also did a bit

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of time with the BBC so I actually came

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from a fairly respectable background and

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they had hunted me along with a lot of

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other Brit journalists because they the

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publisher of The Enquirer maybe what's

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all that later but he wanted Brit

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journalists because it was we were in a

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very very competitive field and he

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wanted people who his attack dogs let me

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just break that down a little bit here

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what is there about British journalists

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compared to American journalists not as

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competitive here because of a number of

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newspapers out there the other world

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taller more handsome and and more

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intelligent well it's true so I

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mentioned that I'm talking back in the

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70s 80s there were what let me see eight

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national daily newspapers plus a couple

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of regional papers in every city so you

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had ten a dozen papers maybe evening

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papers too don't forget all in in a

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small space you know 60 million people

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in a place the size of California easy

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to distribute them

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people would take one two maybe even

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three daily papers you know two mornings

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and evening a lot of competition on

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stories the result was you got these

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very competitive journalists I mean if

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you didn't deliver you weren't gonna

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keep me job of course if I wanted that

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when he started inquire now we always

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thought that they were just making

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stories up

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what were the marching orders from no

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let me just run let me just do a quick

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rundown on the history paint a bit of

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background if you like Pope was the son

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of a quarry millionaire he was a mafioso

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he's from New Jersey he bought the New

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York Inquirer for $75,000 of alone from

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his Godfather literally his Godfather

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Frank Costello who who was the capital

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of the Bonanno mob in in New York

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he turned the New York Inquirer into a

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million circulation a week paper mostly

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on gory stories he saw that people

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gathered around traffic accidents or as

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I say said well if they're attractive

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those let's run him in the paper and so

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he did he ran gory pictures and had

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headlines like I use my dead baby's face

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for an ashtray

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anyway was it all true though you're

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saying it was all true but he

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sensationalized actually he used court

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cases and traffic accidents quite

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literally pictures are you know bloody

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bodies from murders and so on he got he

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bought crime scene pictures and this was

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a newspaper a news magazine a weekly

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news magazine in New York and he moved

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it to Florida various reasons I discuss

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in in the book not meet I don't know and

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he set about he realized he couldn't

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market these things away he wanted he

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couldn't market through a supermarket

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checkout which was one of his strokes of

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genius I feel because they wouldn't let

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that kind of raunchy story in among the

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frozen produce and so on you know so he

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modeled the new Enquirer the National

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Enquirer on Reader's Digest it would

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carry about 70 or 80 stories every week

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and it was it was all kinds of

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categories of stories it might be

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celebrity some celebrity not as much as

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there is now obviously our cult you know

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predictions research into the Arkell

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ghost story thing by how two stories the

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the

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how to be more creative how to be a

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better list I had to choose a pair that

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kind of thing and then then sort of help

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stories I had to be thrifty in a

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stretcher grocery dollar government

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waste stories reader polls UFO stories

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medical breakthroughs a whole spectrum

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now over time and since Pope's death in

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the 80s The Enquirer has gone to become

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a celebrity rag sheet you know it's

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really just following celebrities but

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then in the 70s mate is it really wasn't

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it carried it was really like a down

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mark Reader's Digest lots of stories

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lots of subject now how do they ensure

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the accuracy of all this stuff oh well

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very well first of all they didn't lose

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any libel action and that's that's a

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consideration you know you the the libel

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insurance was in the region of 40,000

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dollars a month because you know

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somebody hits you of the twenty million

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dollars so that's a lot of a lot of

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premiums so Pope spent nearly two

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million dollars a month on a research

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department everything that went in the

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paper literally was checked the if there

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was a direct quote the the reporters

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were instructed to take record

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interviews and if we use a direct quote

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we had somebody in the backroom then the

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research department going over the story

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before it went in the paper and they

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would literally put a dot over every

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word of a direct quote to ensure it was

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on the tape on the interview tape and

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they would check the facts in the story

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too if you know a lot of traditional

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journalists just rely on notebooks where

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quotes can be different didn't trust us

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reporters I came from a background where

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the reporter got it right or got fired

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Pope's attitude was we don't want you to

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write the story we want you to give us a

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file of a couple of thousand words for a

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three thousand were a 300 word story and

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we will rewrite your file into the story

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we into the story that we want okay so

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your compartmentalizing it's almost like

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the way TV does it today with a producer

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and then they do the actual research and

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writing and it's read by a host in your

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case someone like you would do the

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research the legwork and they had

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in-house writers who would take the

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material that's true yeah and they would

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write it to the house

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style right to the the Enquirer style

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now this doesn't mean that you know the

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reporters went out there and slavishly

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got the exact thing because there was

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one big big flaw with the system and

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that was that Pope was such a tyrant and

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he set his he created editorial teams

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that worked against each other so he had

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maybe a dozen 14 editors and each other

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team of five six seven eight reporters

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but they work they didn't work

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cooperatively they worked in competition

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and literally in competition they often

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put too territorial teams in the same

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city for a week and say whoever comes

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let's see if because it was the most

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stories the most good stories and the

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loser stands a good chance of losing his

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job

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so what tended to happen was the editors

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because of the system that was set up

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slavishly followed Pope's dictates we

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had a system of lychees I've got an idea

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let's interview Jean Steinberg right on

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the first bad decision you make this

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week

532
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okay well Brian it was very much better

533
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Chris you're always actually gonna cover

534
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you and the National Enquirer they're

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gonna follow you around well we might

536
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say let's let's let's interview Chris

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O'Brien on his travels you know in

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hunting down the paranormal now when we

539
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during our interview with him he might

540
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he might come up with a much better

541
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story about how he'd he'd photographed a

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ghost they didn't want that because it

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wasn't on the lead sheet it wasn't on

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Steinberg Paul banister is our guest

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he's one of those Brits hired by the

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National Enquirer to do the research and

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cover those stories so basically Paul

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mean that really is the way it is I got

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my job with the Enquirer because of a

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story I put up to them and that was this

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baffling chair of death story tell us

645
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about the baffling chair of death

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because that kind of relates to our

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subject matter here Oh indeed yeah the

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basic line was a an old an old chair in

649
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a pub in Yorkshire in England would kill

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anybody who sat in it within three days

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I wouldn't show yourself wouldn't

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actually commit the murder but if you

653
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sat in the thing you're gonna die within

654
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three days that was the legend so I put

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this story up and they said yeah go and

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do it and I went along and I talked to

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the public and I saw the chair which was

658
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under guard basically they take it out

659
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of the problem hidden hidden there but

660
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but it was no bigger accidentally sit in

661
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it

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and the public in detailed half a dozen

663
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deaths for me no they did the the

664
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Builder who'd fallen off a roof

665
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two hours after sitting in it the guy

666
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who left the pub and drove up a tree and

667
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so on and so on guys fellow it fell dead

668
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of a heart attack the next day now some

669
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of the what were here he'd been drinking

670
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his lunch and then he'd gone he was

671
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making a roof chances were he had a good

672
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good you were just falling off it anyway

673
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I filed the store and they said well r67

674
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that's not enough you know we don't need

675
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a whole graveyard this is a killer chair

676
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that's hundreds of years old

677
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whoa so no I did more work and came up

678
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with more names and so on for them and

679
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later that sort of impressed them enough

680
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that when they started to recruit for

681
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the the new Enquirer which had just

682
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moved to Florida they recruited me and I

683
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became their chief reporter the

684
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paranormal this was quite a ways back to

685
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we're talking 1973 so evidently you were

686
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able to you know maintain a good

687
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relationship with with the tyrant uh

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Pope I mean I mean the story that you

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tell in the book about the security

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guard asking him how he was doing when

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he walked in in the morning and he fired

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him on the spot for asking him how he

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was doing I mean that boss you know he

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was allowed to say good morning mr. Pope

695
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but he added that how you do it and that

696
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got him fired I mean when his wife and

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and his mother-in-law were lining up

698
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with the were jumping the line that was

699
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lining up to the view the celebri the

700
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Christmas decorations of Inquirer they

701
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just naturally know the be the wife or

702
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the owner of the place she walks to the

703
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head of the line of all these people

704
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fina from Michigan and New Jersey just

705
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come down during the winter and he was

706
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wait wait wait wait no you can't do that

707
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this is a democracy you get sit back of

708
00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:23,980
the line to his wife she parked a car on

709
00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:26,740
the grass at their house and he gave her

710
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a mouthful and she said well I'm more

711
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important than grass no you're not get

712
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off get off my lawn I think he was he

713
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had he was a single-minded focused guy

714
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who absolutely brought no resistance I

715
00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:46,450
won one little story that came back from

716
00:30:53,539 --> 00:30:49,900
his wife was a Friday morning there's a

717
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huge rainstorm going on and the the

718
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maintenance guy is washing the windows

719
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of the house as fast that he can

720
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squeegee them dry the rains going on

721
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them again she said why you know Miguel

722
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what I was there why he doing that he

723
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said well mr. Pope told me to do more

724
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Friday mornings and he knew that was

725
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that if he stepped out of line he was

726
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gonna lose his job okay so the baffling

727
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chair of death nine left dead people did

728
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you actually find people who sat in that

729
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chair and nothing ever happened

730
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no I never did actually but then again I

731
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wouldn't be that remote I thought I'm

732
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not going to tell her the finish of this

733
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story but I thought I'd found out later

734
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when I went back to do more on it that

735
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I'd sorted out the secret the chair was

736
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in a pub that was right next to an a

737
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world war two airfield and they they

738
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were Canadian three Canadian bomber

739
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squadrons flew out of there and they had

740
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twenty percent casualties and I figured

741
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that that had to have been the

742
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the root of it you know that all these

743
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young men who been in the pub then got

744
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on the raid and not come back the next

745
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day and I figured that was really where

746
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it came from you see the original story

747
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was set in 1700 and - when a murderer

748
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:05,050
who claimed the chairs at his own cursed

749
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,870
it and before he was taken out of the

750
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pub and hanged at the crossroads that

751
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:12,400
guy that really happened the guy's name

752
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:13,570
was Thomas Busby and

753
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he's in the county records there in

754
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Yorkshire and the pub is still there

755
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:19,750
it's called the Busby stoop the stoop

756
00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:22,120
was old name for gallows by the way the

757
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,100
chair isn't there the chair is now in a

758
00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:26,320
museum and it's mounted high on the wall

759
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:28,180
with a chain across it so nobody can sit

760
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:30,310
in it you made no attempt to sit in this

761
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:32,230
chair or you and I was going to ask I

762
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had to make a television commercial once

763
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:38,560
for a book I wrote back way back called

764
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strange happenings I went down to Palm

765
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:43,930
Springs to film it and they had this

766
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:46,300
chair sitting there they go okay said

767
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,610
not a stupid thing it was pretty

768
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,080
fortunately it was they got it from a

769
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:52,240
props house in Hollywood and it was a

770
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:55,450
replica so I said okay I will sit in it

771
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then but I did look underneath first of

772
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:02,950
all to make sure it was a prop I could

773
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:05,290
see why they they picked up on it and

774
00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:07,330
you would like one of the first of I

775
00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:09,940
think the sixth reporter hired by by

776
00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:12,220
Pope for the new Enquirer yeah yeah

777
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:14,620
that's true actually we got to about 80

778
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:18,640
85 reporters and now is one of the six

779
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:20,740
seven eight senior reporters there but

780
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,890
as I say I mostly worked on on

781
00:33:28,350 --> 00:33:26,080
paranormal story that it's some Siletz

782
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:28,360
on crime is on but bank just to go back

783
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:31,240
to the churn if I may um much later I

784
00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:33,310
did stories with Alan sky with some of

785
00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:38,040
the Soviets who were working on imbuing

786
00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:42,580
objects inanimate objects with feelings

787
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,640
of confusion or hate or fear and then

788
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:47,440
there were this is absolutely true and

789
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:49,510
they were handing these over as gifts to

790
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:52,540
foreign diplomats or people they wanted

791
00:33:58,530 --> 00:33:55,480
to influence and with the idea of

792
00:34:01,080 --> 00:33:58,540
confusing or their thought patterns or

793
00:34:03,899 --> 00:34:01,090
they worked on some biz

794
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:03,909
stuff the Soviets really really had some

795
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,770
interesting research in the psychic and

796
00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:10,240
what it comes down to is it might be the

797
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:12,369
same root of this chair that it had

798
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:19,960
somehow been imbued with evil and the

799
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:22,450
Soviets you know in the 1980s were

800
00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:24,990
working on the same on the same premise

801
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:27,879
did you ever find evidence in any of the

802
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:29,770
research you did any of the stories at

803
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:32,230
this stuff whatever the strange event or

804
00:34:37,649 --> 00:34:36,250
paranormal property was genuine as far

805
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,659
as you were concerned or are you just

806
00:34:43,319 --> 00:34:40,200
looking for a story it didn't matter oh

807
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:43,329
no I found something I worked on some

808
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:45,730
absolutely straight-up story let me deal

809
00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:47,530
at one whole area and that's the

810
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:50,200
commercial psychics most of them are

811
00:34:58,050 --> 00:34:54,310
well-meaning frauds but you know I

812
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worked on very significant series of

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stories with the Stanford Research

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Institute guys I'll put off in Russell

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Targ

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put off was a Stanford professor at I

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was a laser physicist and they they had

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a 9-year 1.1 million dollar annual

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contract with the CIA to develop people

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as psychic spies and they brought a

821
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couple of books about it later but the

822
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Enquirer broke that story they were

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doing this remote viewing technique

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which enable them to find for instance a

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Soviet bomber that had gone down inside

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here in the jungle they found it before

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the Soviets could find it it wasn't

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visible from the air and they did it

829
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with psychic sitting in the laboratory

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in Palo Alto California we could go on

831
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at some length actually about other

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experiments they did which you know

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which I witnessed and had some small

834
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part in myself

835
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you ever try harnessing your abilities

836
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or do you have any um not really no I

837
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don't have any abilities or anything I

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went as a child I saw the same ghost

839
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twice and in the house that we lived in

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and it wasn't you know wasn't terrifying

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it was just an old man doing the same

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thing and when I mentioned it to my

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mother I was probably

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six years old she she asked her to

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describe her and said yeah it's mr.

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issue what he used to own this place you

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know just a little old man who was up to

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here he just walked from one room to the

849
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next upstairs I didn't even know as a

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ghost I just thought was a man you know

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so you just took it as a matter of

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stride yeah yeah I've never been

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actually fry being spoken to by a ghost

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I have a ghost voice on tape it's on my

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listeners care to listen to it they can

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Paul banisters the guest he's the

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tabloid man Chris O'Brien's the co-host

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um gene Steinberg you're in the para

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959
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:29,970
we have all Bannister talking about his

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experiences investigating the paranormal

961
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,450
as a reporter for the National Enquirer

962
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:38,280
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean

963
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Steinberg you're in the power cast okay

964
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:43,470
in exploring some of these things about

965
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the ghost voice I want to ask you in a

966
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:47,609
moment there are conspiracy theories

967
00:41:54,830 --> 00:41:52,890
about Jean Pope about you know some

968
00:41:58,099 --> 00:41:54,840
stuff here some pretty odd stuff that

969
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gets into the government conspiracies

970
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and all sorts of shenanigans there can

971
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you maybe outline some of that for us I

972
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could only tell you what I know for

973
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,300
facts

974
00:42:11,570 --> 00:42:08,760
one is that Pope made no secret at all

975
00:42:14,109 --> 00:42:11,580
is my feeling the other was that he had

976
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:14,119
worked for the CIA psychological warfare

977
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,740
Department for a while now people have

978
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:18,960
suggested that you know The Enquirer was

979
00:42:26,109 --> 00:42:23,490
a vehicle for contradictory stories you

980
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:26,119
know he that they wanted to for instance

981
00:42:32,330 --> 00:42:29,820
debunk or actually propose that UFOs

982
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:32,340
were real I've heard both sides of that

983
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,060
to confuse the the Soviets because you

984
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:37,680
know they felt that if a story Reilly

985
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,350
quiet was either absolute rubbish or it

986
00:42:44,420 --> 00:42:42,900
was something something real I don't

987
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:44,430
believe any of those particular

988
00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:46,320
conspiracy stories I'm sort of inclined

989
00:42:52,940 --> 00:42:49,550
towards the Enquirer as a laundry for

990
00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:52,950
illegal money because I know how freely

991
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:54,840
they spent they and they really really

992
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lash money about on anything as long as

993
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we had a receipt we could spend if I

994
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wanted to rent a helicopter for the

995
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weekend and on a story then they didn't

996
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,880
even care you know is that kind of thing

997
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:07,980
no I don't think there was any massive

998
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:09,810
conspiracy involving Pope he was just a

999
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:12,450
single-minded man who ran a very

1000
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successful magazine I mean he was

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selling almost 5 million a week and on a

1002
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regular basis and on some issue the big

1003
00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:22,710
issue was over 7 million when when

1004
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they've had a cover of Elvis Presley in

1005
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his coffin

1006
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:28,020
hmm did the National Enquirer and it's

1007
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:29,340
early years and we know what they did

1008
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:31,650
with senator former senator Edwards now

1009
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,600
in the early years daybreak major

1010
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stories at the rest of the mainstream

1011
00:43:40,019 --> 00:43:38,109
media had to pick up on absolutely

1012
00:43:41,759 --> 00:43:40,029
they nailed another presidential

1013
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:41,769
contender that was Gary Hart remember

1014
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monkey business he was he was running Oh

1015
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Jay Simpson was nailed because of the

1016
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Inquirer's team who dug up his whatever

1017
00:43:56,220 --> 00:43:53,799
the shoes I forgot all the shoes of

1018
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coffee but they they tied him to the

1019
00:44:00,359 --> 00:43:58,779
bloody footprint Gary Condit went down

1020
00:44:03,779 --> 00:44:00,369
the tubes because of inquirer and

1021
00:44:07,049 --> 00:44:03,789
they're the tabloids they should they

1022
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:07,059
should have actually got the stock Jim

1023
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:09,700
Jones and the Jonestown thing we had

1024
00:44:15,569 --> 00:44:13,180
that story in essence it was we had that

1025
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:15,579
the story tipped to us and we had a guy

1026
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:18,609
on it but Pope himself didn't really

1027
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:20,470
care about it and I think if he if he'd

1028
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:22,569
acted a couple of weeks before he did

1029
00:44:29,299 --> 00:44:25,569
that Massacre at Jonestown that terrible

1030
00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:29,309
tragedy I was saved 900 people but Pope

1031
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:31,660
poo-pooed the idea the editor who came

1032
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:34,210
to him with it was denigrated by Pope at

1033
00:44:37,739 --> 00:44:36,190
the time here's the deal the guy says

1034
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mr. Pope with his great story and he

1035
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said I don't think it is and the guy had

1036
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the temerity to bring it up the next

1037
00:44:45,269 --> 00:44:42,819
week at the page one meeting and Pope

1038
00:44:47,099 --> 00:44:45,279
said be quiet then it happened

1039
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a couple of weeks later the the editor

1040
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brought the thing that was fired because

1041
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he couldn't have this example of walking

1042
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around the offices of a guy who proved

1043
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the publisher wrong you know oh man

1044
00:45:01,559 --> 00:44:57,160
that's that's that's that's really

1045
00:45:03,779 --> 00:45:01,569
brutal very cold kind of understandable

1046
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for that personality though probably but

1047
00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:05,650
you know Pope operated in an atmosphere

1048
00:45:12,499 --> 00:45:08,380
of fear you know you've got a hang one

1049
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to encourage the rest and he did that

1050
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most Friday afternoons you could see a

1051
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little knots of you know girls standing

1052
00:45:20,819 --> 00:45:18,400
in the corridor sobbing that somebody

1053
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just been fired you know an assistant

1054
00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:23,319
there was fired because he he put a memo

1055
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through and it had a spelling mistake in

1056
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it and Paul happened to see the mamani

1057
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didn't he know who who'd sent he just

1058
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get rid of the dummy and to fired the

1059
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:34,569
guy that afternoon man how did you

1060
00:45:40,229 --> 00:45:36,609
survive for so long there I stayed on

1061
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,239
the road a lot yes stay out of the

1062
00:45:45,479 --> 00:45:43,119
office the out of everybody's way below

1063
00:45:47,279 --> 00:45:45,489
the level of the trench no he actually

1064
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:47,289
had a small affection I think for the

1065
00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:49,480
reporters the reporter didn't get much

1066
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,060
too much flak in those terms

1067
00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:53,920
it's like you know just this week add a

1068
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:55,600
note from a friend of mine who was a

1069
00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:57,910
report at the time and here's a here's a

1070
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here's an example of two things that's

1071
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how we spent money and how he didn't

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00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,080
care about it when that miniseries Roots

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came out which had to be in the 70s

1074
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early 80s somebody had the idea to send

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a reporter back to well as where was it

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set Kenya Nigeria

1077
00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:16,990
I can't think anyway they sent a

1078
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:19,140
reporter called rod Gibson back there

1079
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:22,390
with the with the move with the you know

1080
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:24,700
the first four episodes or something to

1081
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:27,250
show it to the tribe that contac Indy

1082
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:29,650
came from and apparently rod sent me

1083
00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:31,780
know just this week because the tabloid

1084
00:46:35,850 --> 00:46:34,060
man and said you might be interested in

1085
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:35,860
now I went back there he said I ran this

1086
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:37,690
movie for him in this village I had to

1087
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:39,850
power it up from a car battery you know

1088
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:42,040
and run the projector and I wrote this

1089
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:44,890
story and came back at great expense and

1090
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:46,810
and it was killed

1091
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,700
they weren't gonna run it and I happened

1092
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,040
to see you know mr. Pope by the

1093
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:52,720
noticeboard or something and I said mr.

1094
00:46:58,290 --> 00:46:54,870
Pope you know what happened to the story

1095
00:46:59,760 --> 00:46:58,300
you know the and Pope's though he said

1096
00:47:02,100 --> 00:46:59,770
he looked at me like I was a pup who

1097
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:02,110
just peed on the carpet you know he said

1098
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:04,450
well it wasn't interesting it wasn't any

1099
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:06,910
good and he said but mr. Pope I thought

1100
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:08,470
it's a terrific story said well rod you

1101
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:12,070
were there miss you know it was

1102
00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:14,650
interesting to him but not to GP and

1103
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:16,840
he'd spent probably five or ten thousand

1104
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:18,310
dollars to get the story and just killed

1105
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:21,640
it despite it well when did popes reign

1106
00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:23,770
at the National Enquirer and when he

1107
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:28,780
died in 88 okay we're talking about 23

1108
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:31,150
years ago okay aim the twenty-three

1109
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:34,390
years since his death what changes have

1110
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:35,830
been wrought over the National Enquirer

1111
00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:41,050
Oh huge was being huge the paper was

1112
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:45,550
sold soon after his death to to a couple

1113
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:47,410
of guys who were basically were asked

1114
00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:51,010
that strippers they ran it for a year

1115
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:54,100
and lived off the inventory of stories

1116
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:56,410
so they didn't have any particular

1117
00:48:02,040 --> 00:47:59,920
outlay on editorial costs then they went

1118
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,050
public and they showed these figures

1119
00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:04,240
that showed how little they'd spent and

1120
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:05,860
enough people wouldn't

1121
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:07,570
inspire them that the paper you know

1122
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:09,670
that they made a ton of money off the

1123
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:13,270
initial purchase offering and Stinson

1124
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:15,010
and the stocks have steadily declined to

1125
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:17,740
zero or very close to it

1126
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:21,280
ten years anyway they laid off a few

1127
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,120
hundred people and the the tone of the

1128
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:27,520
paper changed considerably Pope spent

1129
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:29,770
and spent and spent he was taking about

1130
00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:31,630
six million a year out of the paper for

1131
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,300
himself in the first year for these guys

1132
00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:36,640
got it they made more than seventy

1133
00:48:43,290 --> 00:48:40,360
million for themselves so Howe was

1134
00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:43,300
plowing all the money back in and then

1135
00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:44,680
the tone of the paper changed they

1136
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:47,140
became a celebrity scandal sheet and not

1137
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:47,650
much else

1138
00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:49,810
yeah they changed the format - they

1139
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:51,220
weren't cuddler they went to a smaller

1140
00:48:59,660 --> 00:48:53,260
size yeah yeah it was kind of like

1141
00:49:02,310 --> 00:48:59,670
People magazine with sleeves yeah they

1142
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:02,320
all the tabloids are owned by the same

1143
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:04,890
group now one man David and pecker

1144
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:09,040
cobbled it together with a half 500

1145
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:13,090
million dollars with a debt and probably

1146
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:16,090
now the globe Inquirer starved some

1147
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:18,550
they're all Inquirer examiner they're

1148
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:21,220
all under one roof those American

1149
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:25,180
media's that the American media story

1150
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:28,210
about that in the anthrax attacks I'm

1151
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:29,770
surprised that more people don't know

1152
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:31,930
about that one of the victims of the

1153
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:35,830
anthrax attacks after 9/11 was was I

1154
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:38,470
think was the owner or one of the

1155
00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:41,050
managers of the American media correct

1156
00:49:49,110 --> 00:49:44,260
me if I'm actually no it's Bob Stevens

1157
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:49,120
he was a photo editor there he happened

1158
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:50,770
to be in the mail room at the wrong time

1159
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:53,110
and somebody sent in a picture of I

1160
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:54,820
think was Britney Spears or somebody

1161
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:56,410
with the anthrax in it and they said

1162
00:50:00,600 --> 00:49:58,090
look at this you know look at this idiot

1163
00:50:01,610 --> 00:50:00,610
sent as this and he handled it and it

1164
00:50:06,330 --> 00:50:01,620
comes on glowing

1165
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:06,340
they never did solve it now for the rest

1166
00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:08,230
of the reporters any of you ever find

1167
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:10,180
your life in danger because of the

1168
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,680
things you did I don't about yes yes

1169
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:18,319
a soldier in was it Salvador Honduras

1170
00:50:23,579 --> 00:50:20,930
crime ever put his rifle on the end of

1171
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:23,589
my nose I think that counts doesn't it

1172
00:50:29,770 --> 00:50:25,460
wasn't very

1173
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:29,780
yeah I've been menaced by a ghost a

1174
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:31,640
gunman shot at me in Northern Ireland

1175
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,760
Michael Jackson nearly caused us to get

1176
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:37,280
stampeded and cut to pieces by a shop

1177
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:40,730
window did you kick me out of the house

1178
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:44,319
kangaroo spat on me all kinds of people

1179
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:47,030
threatened me from Tony Curtis or the

1180
00:50:51,069 --> 00:50:49,369
French police George best Bob Hope's

1181
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:51,079
daughter Oh

1182
00:50:56,049 --> 00:50:53,569
John Pinette rounds his neighbours but

1183
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,059
the hit man in New York New Jersey oh

1184
00:51:00,010 --> 00:50:58,400
god I hit man in New Jersey oh that one

1185
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,020
had to be frightening more so than the

1186
00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:02,480
neighbor of a celebrity well fortunately

1187
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:05,240
he was already in jail but it still that

1188
00:51:10,299 --> 00:51:07,790
was a fella called kuklinski he's he's

1189
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,309
dead now he's the Iceman and he'd

1190
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,359
murdered more than a hundred people and

1191
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:15,920
his technique one of his favorite

1192
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:18,470
techniques was he'd load a little spray

1193
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:20,990
bottle with cyanide and then he'd

1194
00:51:25,569 --> 00:51:23,150
approached his target face-to-face on

1195
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,579
the street as they were walking by he

1196
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:26,960
pretend to be sneezing into his

1197
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:28,609
handkerchief and he'd spray the guy in

1198
00:51:33,130 --> 00:51:31,369
the face with cyanide and the fellow

1199
00:51:35,799 --> 00:51:33,140
would drop down within he said within

1200
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,809
six to ten seconds looked like he'd had

1201
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:38,240
a heart attack on the street so you

1202
00:51:41,859 --> 00:51:39,770
couldn't tell I guess unless you had

1203
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:41,869
evidence well okay let me ask you about

1204
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:44,089
that in a moment Paul Bannister the book

1205
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:46,460
is tabloid man I'm Jean Steinberg the

1206
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:48,770
co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in the

1207
00:51:57,570 --> 00:51:55,070
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1208
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,580
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1209
00:52:01,770 --> 00:51:59,680
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1210
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:01,780
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1211
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1213
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1214
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:09,430
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1219
00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:19,420
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1220
00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:21,220
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1221
00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:23,380
that's juicy and live.com we the people

1222
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:25,270
grow cotton wheat fabric engraving can

1223
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,770
bed strips and fibers to protect from

1224
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:28,240
counterfeit and carding to a private

1225
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:29,830
bank having it led back at interest

1226
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:31,420
forcing taxes to service debt this

1227
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:33,130
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1228
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:34,450
stating a central bank issuing the

1229
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:35,950
public currency is a greater menace to

1230
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:36,970
the liberties of the people than a

1231
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:38,200
standing army today understand I'm

1232
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:39,520
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1233
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:41,170
that explains our monetary system call

1234
00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:44,320
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1235
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:47,230
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1236
00:52:58,170 --> 00:52:56,050
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

1237
00:53:01,800 --> 00:52:58,180
the pair cast the gold standard of

1238
00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:01,810
paranormal radio and now here's gene

1239
00:53:12,350 --> 00:53:09,800
we have Paul Bannister the book is

1240
00:53:15,110 --> 00:53:12,360
tabloid man we're exploring all the

1241
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:15,120
strange things that he's explored and

1242
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:17,430
some of the situations were he might

1243
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:19,380
have put himself into danger I'm Jean

1244
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:21,120
Steinberger in the tech night our live

1245
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:23,310
okay so if you spray someone with

1246
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:28,110
cyanide well I'm sure that you're not

1247
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:31,020
planning to either we're just using this

1248
00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:33,720
theoretically okay so this person sprays

1249
00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:36,390
people with cyanide now we're in an

1250
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:38,790
autopsy reveal the cause of death oh

1251
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:41,550
yeah I'm sure well actually that's a

1252
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:43,650
good question isn't it I don't know I'm

1253
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:46,920
not um yeah I'm not medically qualified

1254
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:49,530
to tell you I'm sure if they looked and

1255
00:53:53,570 --> 00:53:51,540
if they look for traces of cyanide well

1256
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:53,580
they'd certainly find them but I guess

1257
00:53:57,590 --> 00:53:55,770
if a guy just drops down in the street

1258
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:57,600
with no visible thing they'd look and

1259
00:54:00,980 --> 00:53:58,770
they'd say well you know how it looks

1260
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:00,990
you know his heart stopped

1261
00:54:06,050 --> 00:54:03,330
I guess they might say well it's okay he

1262
00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:06,060
certainly he certainly wasn't caught and

1263
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:09,150
nobody suspected but that his victims

1264
00:54:14,540 --> 00:54:11,570
have been had been sprayed in the face

1265
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:14,550
they caught him four other things I mean

1266
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:17,880
he shot some he he you know he strangled

1267
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:20,700
others he liked to do that so I don't

1268
00:54:24,860 --> 00:54:22,470
know what the autopsy which I'm sure

1269
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:24,870
what if you look for it imagine being

1270
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:27,150
there guys sell me oh I'll be terrifying

1271
00:54:30,110 --> 00:54:27,990
he's a big man

1272
00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:30,120
- he's like six six and you know nearly

1273
00:54:34,550 --> 00:54:33,030
300 pounds we say frenzy where you say

1274
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:34,560
I'm gonna kill you Bannister or

1275
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:38,070
something he wasn't pleased I you know

1276
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:39,390
I'm just remember exactly what he did

1277
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:44,010
say thinking about that he he wasn't

1278
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:46,740
pleased that I wasn't pet it was a phone

1279
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:48,150
interview fortune I was a face-to-face

1280
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:50,910
with the guy I think I think what it

1281
00:54:56,540 --> 00:54:53,340
came down to was if I wrote something

1282
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:56,550
that displeased him it wouldn't be good

1283
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:00,480
for me now this is a guy who's who's

1284
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:05,070
neighbors whose neighbor ran over the

1285
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:08,550
frere friend's daughter and the neighbor

1286
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:11,160
vanished and they found him in pieces

1287
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:13,950
about three months later I mean

1288
00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:16,230
Kuklinski was not a nice he was not a

1289
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:17,670
guy to cross

1290
00:55:26,269 --> 00:55:21,450
some chemists some pharmacists with was

1291
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:26,279
bugging him over overdrove money so kill

1292
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,180
the guy put him in a 55-gallon drum of

1293
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:33,119
concrete and parked it near a hotdog

1294
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:33,990
stand

1295
00:55:38,059 --> 00:55:36,510
and it just left it there he was there

1296
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,069
for like three months for anybody moved

1297
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:40,079
he said I go and have a hot dog and a

1298
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:43,380
coke it's like visiting the guy now

1299
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:46,859
that's cold that's cold out fast

1300
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,500
question here the National Enquirer then

1301
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,420
they fire you eventually did you leave

1302
00:55:56,660 --> 00:55:54,240
what oh no no I left I left it was some

1303
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:56,670
time to go I'd been there seven years as

1304
00:56:00,289 --> 00:55:58,140
a senior reporter had done all this

1305
00:56:02,029 --> 00:56:00,299
stuff I was never home and you know I

1306
00:56:04,460 --> 00:56:02,039
had a young family and I said that's

1307
00:56:06,289 --> 00:56:04,470
enough so I moved away from Florida to

1308
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:06,299
California and then I continued to work

1309
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:08,970
for them and the other tabloids but on a

1310
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:11,220
freelance basis which gave me more

1311
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:13,710
control instead of them saying to me at

1312
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,690
four o'clock on a Friday okay you know

1313
00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:17,400
get yourself out to Costa Rica or

1314
00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:20,339
something I could say as a freelance I

1315
00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:24,059
could say no and usually a freelancer

1316
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:26,099
they would choose somebody who's closer

1317
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:31,170
to the locale of the story care about

1318
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:35,490
money you know when we had some pictures

1319
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:38,400
we'd signed up some quince or sextuplets

1320
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:41,250
in in Cape Town and they were under

1321
00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:42,900
contract and all the rest of it and one

1322
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:44,339
of my friends in seconds a photographer

1323
00:56:48,499 --> 00:56:46,140
taking the pictures he was down there

1324
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:48,509
and Vince had to get his he was it was

1325
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:50,940
sending raw film back you know and they

1326
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:52,710
had five rolls of films send back of the

1327
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,579
babies and he sort of call the officer

1328
00:56:59,059 --> 00:56:57,599
look you know I've got a problem here

1329
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,069
we're not gonna get it to you you know

1330
00:57:02,509 --> 00:57:01,200
by Monday morning whenever it whenever

1331
00:57:04,579 --> 00:57:02,519
he had to get it there for it for this

1332
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:04,589
week's issue now the thing that they

1333
00:57:07,279 --> 00:57:05,940
were under family or under contract so

1334
00:57:09,799 --> 00:57:07,289
really week didn't make a difference at

1335
00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:09,809
all the PO wanted it and he said well

1336
00:57:14,059 --> 00:57:11,670
just fly it directly from Cape Town I

1337
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:14,069
said well you know we there's no flight

1338
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:16,200
from Cape Town to Miami he said well

1339
00:57:20,059 --> 00:57:18,390
just rent a plane I said well you know

1340
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:20,069
take a big plane to fly across the

1341
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:22,710
Atlantic South Atlantic you know he said

1342
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,150
Boeing make big planes

1343
00:57:29,539 --> 00:57:26,700
the guy was ready to rent the jumbo jet

1344
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,549
to fly five rolls of film so what are we

1345
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:30,480
talking about here

1346
00:57:35,570 --> 00:57:33,930
thousand dollars I did a bit more it

1347
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:35,580
wouldn't either yeah I don't do

1348
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:37,710
estimates about planes let me ask you a

1349
00:57:42,740 --> 00:57:40,680
fast question here did you cover any of

1350
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,750
the great conspiracy theories of our

1351
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:44,520
time in the part of your work you know

1352
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,070
we all talk about JFK even the deaths of

1353
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:49,440
famous celebrities some conspiratorial

1354
00:57:54,980 --> 00:57:51,420
aspects any of these stories you get to

1355
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:54,990
cover yeah I do now because there was

1356
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:57,090
Marilyn Monroe she murdered I remember

1357
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:00,780
that didn't they find evidence that

1358
00:58:06,980 --> 00:58:04,380
she'd been injected in a very discreet

1359
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:06,990
place which I won't mention on the radio

1360
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:10,410
but and I JFK one I had a very

1361
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:13,710
intriguing conversation with an agate

1362
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:19,110
with a guy in Salinas California he had

1363
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,370
pictures of the motorcade and one

1364
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:26,520
picture in particular seemed to show the

1365
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:30,710
driver turning backwards with a handgun

1366
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:36,720
no shades of Bill Cooper that was

1367
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,510
Cooper's theory which that's right which

1368
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:41,520
he was positive

1369
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:43,950
he sure was a pretty Cooper he didn't

1370
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,530
have cancer did he die of cancer

1371
00:58:50,020 --> 00:58:48,180
no he got shot by a sheriff's deputies

1372
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:50,030
here in Arizona just up the road for me

1373
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:55,440
huh that's interesting I went to see him

1374
00:59:01,070 --> 00:58:57,210
I'm pretty sure was someone like Salinas

1375
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:01,080
it was central California might maybe

1376
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:04,730
found Luis Obispo good as I remember he

1377
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had a copy of this is a brooder film

1378
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:09,870
that was probably a second or

1379
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:12,210
third-generation copy yeah and basically

1380
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,770
the debunker said but what you're

1381
00:59:18,830 --> 00:59:15,900
looking at is this shine off the guy's a

1382
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,840
bald spot on his head that makes it look

1383
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like he has a gun in his hand he did

1384
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:22,260
turn around look into the bag

1385
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:23,400
see yeah he was suddenly turned around

1386
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:25,020
they seemed to have something in his

1387
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:26,760
hand it was a print that he showed me

1388
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:30,540
right that could be but of course you

1389
00:59:36,260 --> 00:59:32,990
know the the big conspiracy thing is

1390
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:36,270
Whitey Bulger well that's a major story

1391
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oh yeah yeah once you give us an

1392
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overview for our listeners who don't

1393
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know who Whitey Bulger is

1394
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well whitey was a Boston gang leader he

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was a mobster who's he was actually the

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model for Jack Nicholson's character in

1397
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the movie that departed and he's been on

1398
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:02,380
the run for 16 years and he's wanted for

1399
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:04,750
at least 19 murders he had a million

1400
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dollars FBI reward on his head this guy

1401
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was so brutal they reckon he was much

1402
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much more feared than say John Gotti but

1403
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:19,630
his thing and his thing was that he did

1404
01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:23,230
a deal with the FBI to rat out the

1405
01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:29,500
Italian mafia in Boston and in return

1406
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:31,840
the FBI supposedly said well okay if you

1407
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don't do anything violent

1408
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we won't chase you down but just turn

1409
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:37,990
over the others well what but whitey was

1410
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:40,090
doing of course was getting rid of his

1411
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:42,090
competition

1412
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:46,900
unfortunately whitey and a killer called

1413
01:00:52,290 --> 01:00:48,730
Flemmi what was Fleming's first name was

1414
01:00:53,730 --> 01:00:52,300
it David Fleming yeah I talked to a

1415
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:53,740
talked if I'm Fleming's in the witness

1416
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protection program right now anyway

1417
01:01:00,270 --> 01:00:57,820
these two carried out a whole series of

1418
01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:00,280
gruesome murders anyway while they were

1419
01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:03,880
being while the serving of informers now

1420
01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:05,800
other enforcement law enforcement

1421
01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:07,720
agencies including the DEA and the State

1422
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:10,030
Police in Massachusetts began looking

1423
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into Bulger well he was an FBI Informer

1424
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and they said you know we've got to pull

1425
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this guy in but an FBI agent whose name

1426
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was John Connolly tipped him off and in

1427
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disseminate for that he was about to be

1428
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arrested and the the DEA had was saying

1429
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okay we have you know we have bulge in

1430
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pocket but Bulger gets a call and you

1431
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turn and the pocket had a hole in it and

1432
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,950
he just went right off the screen of

1433
01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:47,440
course he was arrested now he's probably

1434
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always suspected of being the man behind

1435
01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:54,580
the world's biggest art heist a whole

1436
01:01:59,760 --> 01:01:57,160
lot of old masters and absolutely

1437
01:02:01,289 --> 01:01:59,770
credibly valuable paintings went missing

1438
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:01,299
from a gallery in Boston and they're

1439
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:04,240
still missing and when they picked

1440
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Bulger up to see the other day he had

1441
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eight hundred thousand in cash and

1442
01:02:14,339 --> 01:02:11,289
30-some weapons in his apartment on

1443
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:14,349
Santa Monica so even though he was being

1444
01:02:20,450 --> 01:02:16,930
used as an informant eventually they had

1445
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,460
again I think other agencies got him uh

1446
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:23,200
the thing is that if he was on the run

1447
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:24,940
for so long that people saying the FBI

1448
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didn't want to catch him because it

1449
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would reveal too much of their dirty

1450
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laundry oh okay

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we have Paul Bannister the book is

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tabloid man we're talking about

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Whitey Bulger this infamous criminal who

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was finally captured Irish Southie okay

1556
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yeah whitey was a nasty piece of work

1557
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you know he shot one guy in the phone

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booth and he shot him so many times they

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say torso and his legs were just about

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separated he he strangled a couple of

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people including a stripper with his

1562
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bare hands another fellow that he

1563
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suspected of being an informant who

1564
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turned over an IRA gun shipment they

1565
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took him down into the cellar where he

1566
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killed several people in his in one of

1567
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his houses in Boston and tried to hang

1568
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the guy but the rope was too too thick

1569
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to strangle him and so whitey did the

1570
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nice thing said would you like me to

1571
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just put one in your head

1572
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the guy said yes please and just coldly

1573
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shot him

1574
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that was the end of that but um just oh

1575
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it's just an amazingly tough guy you

1576
01:08:38,269 --> 01:08:36,420
know nasty nasty piece of work I find

1577
01:08:40,519 --> 01:08:38,279
they're really celebrating is like Osama

1578
01:08:41,959 --> 01:08:40,529
bin Laden's been caught in Boston just a

1579
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:41,969
question occurs to me as we talk about

1580
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this gene Pope because he was affiliated

1581
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with organized crime and family and

1582
01:08:51,769 --> 01:08:49,949
everything did the government ever go

1583
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:51,779
after him or try to go after him because

1584
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:55,500
of his connections no no he was I don't

1585
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:58,020
think he was involved in crime as such

1586
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,020
he he had all the connections but I

1587
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don't think he was ordering any you know

1588
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,829
or doing anything like that now there's

1589
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never never any hint that he was a

1590
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criminal himself he was just somebody

1591
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making a lot of money from something he

1592
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made a lot of money from a legitimate

1593
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organization but he still maintained his

1594
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you know his contacts of

1595
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I'm sure but he didn't share that with

1596
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me but put it this way when he left his

1597
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home in the morning his security guys

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would check under the car with the

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mirror and the same when he you know

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left the office in the afternoon and

1601
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they would take obvious precautions you

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know his office windows in Lantana which

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is a in quiet quarters were bulletproof

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this kind of sounds to me offhand like

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the way that roger ailes of fox news

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lives he lives in a office with

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bulletproof windows because he's afraid

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people are going to shoot him he's under

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heavy guard he's got an armored car

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really almost the same thing yeah I

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guess if you got to live that way thank

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goodness your conscience is clear Jean

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he'd be a good a good a good subject for

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a Hollywood feature Oh be brilliant I

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mean the man was I just I go to some

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lengths to describe Jean Pope in my book

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because he's the man who single-handedly

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did the most to change American media

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I'm talking about you know newspapers

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generally he brought that cult of

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celebrity to everybody I know who to

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blame yeah indeed you do oh boy yeah I

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did side I think that was the death

1624
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:32,100
knell for American they'll for the

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01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:34,230
Fourth Estate in America isn't it

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01:10:41,689 --> 01:10:36,540
strange though how much so-called

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01:10:43,459 --> 01:10:41,699
mainstream journalism has embraced to

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the lowest common denominator they got

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they said okay we'll dumb it down we'll

1630
01:10:51,070 --> 01:10:47,850
dumb it down all the time you know you

1631
01:10:54,110 --> 01:10:51,080
get a good magazine or you know a good I

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01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:54,120
do you ever read The Economist it sounds

1633
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:56,460
terrible but it's a really really good

1634
01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:59,370
news magazine nobody reads it they

1635
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:01,320
posted an article on the pear caste

1636
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:02,910
forum today from The Economist about

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01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:07,290
Timothy Leary and their New York Public

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01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:09,000
Library just bought his entire archive

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01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:10,739
and they're gonna be releasing in bits

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01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:13,140
and pieces excellent

1641
01:11:17,689 --> 01:11:15,650
well we know it has two readers now

1642
01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:17,699
quality journalism in a gene I mean

1643
01:11:20,330 --> 01:11:19,140
that's the thing but you know if you

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01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,340
want to read about Britney Spears

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01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:22,560
throwing a tantrum it's all over the

1646
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:32,530
that's not news he's high on a drug it's

1647
01:11:40,770 --> 01:11:34,610
just a bit of gossip and honey when it

1648
01:11:45,129 --> 01:11:43,209
well they didn't remind us that the

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:45,139
people that you paid to read about them

1650
01:11:47,709 --> 01:11:45,770
ruined it

1651
01:11:49,839 --> 01:11:47,719
now you mentioned before of course the

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01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:49,849
classic Hollywood murder conspiracy such

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01:11:53,919 --> 01:11:52,070
as Marilyn Monroe ever look at the

1654
01:11:56,589 --> 01:11:53,929
conspiracy about The Death of Superman

1655
01:11:59,439 --> 01:11:56,599
George Reeves no I thought they didn't

1656
01:12:01,569 --> 01:11:59,449
know okay they had a book about that

1657
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:01,579
call Hollywood kryptonite and Ben

1658
01:12:07,870 --> 01:12:04,489
Affleck played in a movie on the subject

1659
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:07,880
which kind of suggests that Reeves was

1660
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:11,570
dating some organized crime girlfriend

1661
01:12:16,299 --> 01:12:14,030
and there was jealousy and he was shot

1662
01:12:18,220 --> 01:12:16,309
made to look like well you know he was

1663
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:18,230
getting old and playing Superman that's

1664
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:19,489
the only role he could get because he

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was typecast and therefore he shot

1666
01:12:30,609 --> 01:12:23,599
himself I remember the headline Superman

1667
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:30,619
shoots self no the closest to you know

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conspiracies that would interest para

1669
01:12:38,649 --> 01:12:36,710
cast listeners it was in UFO material I

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01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:38,659
spent three months traveling with Edgar

1671
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:41,449
Mitchell dr. Mitchell's he is he was the

1672
01:12:47,919 --> 01:12:44,480
sixth man to walk on the moon he piloted

1673
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:47,929
the lunar lander and enquirer

1674
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:51,170
in the 70s gave him a contract several

1675
01:12:55,569 --> 01:12:53,510
months to drag me around in his

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slipstream to go and talk to his

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contacts and see what big stories we

1678
01:13:02,410 --> 01:13:00,530
could come up with in the in well ed at

1679
01:13:04,450 --> 01:13:02,420
that time was setting up his Institute

1680
01:13:07,689 --> 01:13:04,460
of noetic Sciences he was investigating

1681
01:13:09,939 --> 01:13:07,699
consciousness and as you probably know

1682
01:13:13,299 --> 01:13:09,949
did some telepathy experiments on his

1683
01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:13,309
way to the moon with a guy in in Chicago

1684
01:13:17,649 --> 01:13:15,020
all of Gamma not many people know that

1685
01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:17,659
no but and and you know what's really

1686
01:13:23,939 --> 01:13:20,750
interesting is a lot of those astronauts

1687
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:23,949
came back changed man they came back

1688
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:28,190
religious or so interested in as Ed was

1689
01:13:35,799 --> 01:13:32,290
in the study of telepathy consciousness

1690
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:35,809
Milo workings of the mind but he told me

1691
01:13:38,589 --> 01:13:37,250
no we we talked about this a lot because

1692
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we had three months on the road together

1693
01:13:42,370 --> 01:13:41,540
which is kind of fun but he he told me

1694
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:42,380
one time he went out

1695
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:45,170
white sands the week before they'd had a

1696
01:13:48,910 --> 01:13:47,090
bird on the on the pad ready you know to

1697
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send up some weather satellite or

1698
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:50,900
whatever and they had a high-speed

1699
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:53,090
camera trained on it getting ready for

1700
01:13:59,580 --> 01:13:56,239
launch that same day and somebody

1701
01:14:02,260 --> 01:13:59,590
noticed this frisbee sized UFO circling

1702
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:02,270
the the bird he said like a hummingbird

1703
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or out around a tree and they had the

1704
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wit to turn on the camera and they

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filmed this thing and it was it was a

1706
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classic sorcerer like a shape like a

1707
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frisbee a little rounded and so on and

1708
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it was only about 14 inches across they

1709
01:14:22,990 --> 01:14:19,820
guess you know from from the film and

1710
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:23,000
Edie saw the film he told me and a

1711
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couple of days later he went back with a

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friend to the same person who had the

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film and said you know we want to can

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you show this to my colleague here the

1715
01:14:38,050 --> 01:14:34,639
thing had disappeared and never existed

1716
01:14:40,689 --> 01:14:38,060
the men in black I totally I totally

1717
01:14:43,149 --> 01:14:40,699
believe had that he saw a film of

1718
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:43,159
something no no we had a theory this is

1719
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kind of funny too we had a fellow Brit

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Nicolas Redfern oh no yeah he was a very

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kind review this week about my bullet

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yes I noticed said I said and

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justifiably so it's it's a very

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entertaining book and it's filled with

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scenes in such a paradigm shifting

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organization like like both had they had

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established there and and again kudos to

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you I'm really enjoying now I haven't

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finished it but I'm I'm really enjoying

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thank you very much indeed

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well what's over actually could I just

1736
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just explain something quickly here I

1737
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had to change printing companies and the

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Amazon had it online of course it was

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all there and it's available to Kindle

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on Amazon I'll tell you what we'll have

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to do this break and then you'll tell us

1742
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why you changed printing companies that

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have a couple of questions

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Paul banister is the guest the book is

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tabloid man he changed printing

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companies I wonder why I'm Jean

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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01:20:28,519 --> 01:20:24,839
didn't have print copies available in

1866
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:28,529
the UK only in the US it's available in

1867
01:20:33,049 --> 01:20:30,449
kindle and in both countries in europe

1868
01:20:34,849 --> 01:20:33,059
and australia and so on so i said oh

1869
01:20:37,459 --> 01:20:34,859
well fine I'll just move across to

1870
01:20:39,589 --> 01:20:37,469
another Amazon subsidiary who can print

1871
01:20:42,829 --> 01:20:39,599
it in both countries but the two major

1872
01:20:45,649 --> 01:20:42,839
markets for me well there's like two

1873
01:20:49,029 --> 01:20:45,659
months hiatus before they can move it

1874
01:20:52,389 --> 01:20:49,039
across it's just it's a bureaucracy

1875
01:20:54,979 --> 01:20:52,399
bureaucracy motioning industry this is a

1876
01:20:58,129 --> 01:20:54,989
self-published kind of book right okay

1877
01:21:00,019 --> 01:20:58,139
so yeah this is an interesting thing

1878
01:21:01,519 --> 01:21:00,029
here you know one time you had

1879
01:21:03,829 --> 01:21:01,529
self-publishing because people couldn't

1880
01:21:05,989 --> 01:21:03,839
get a publisher to take the book now it

1881
01:21:07,999 --> 01:21:05,999
has become a better way of marketing for

1882
01:21:09,259 --> 01:21:08,009
some people it also is become a web

1883
01:21:10,989 --> 01:21:09,269
marketing when the publisher won't take

1884
01:21:14,209 --> 01:21:10,999
the book which is what happened to me

1885
01:21:15,589 --> 01:21:14,219
about 60 people turned it down but

1886
01:21:16,939 --> 01:21:15,599
that's actually part of their the thing

1887
01:21:18,799 --> 01:21:16,949
is the publishers right now terrified

1888
01:21:20,869 --> 01:21:18,809
they don't know where it's going with

1889
01:21:22,939 --> 01:21:20,879
the internet and most of them don't want

1890
01:21:25,219 --> 01:21:22,949
to commit and if you're not writing a

1891
01:21:27,229 --> 01:21:25,229
cookbook or a book about crime or a book

1892
01:21:28,579 --> 01:21:27,239
about celebrities they don't want to

1893
01:21:30,619 --> 01:21:28,589
know they don't they say they don't have

1894
01:21:32,839 --> 01:21:30,629
a niche for it if you're a politician

1895
01:21:34,609 --> 01:21:32,849
maybe if you're revealing something from

1896
01:21:36,379 --> 01:21:34,619
a politician but you know what happens

1897
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,389
with some of these political books from

1898
01:21:41,179 --> 01:21:38,159
a liberal or conservative you have these

1899
01:21:42,859 --> 01:21:41,189
think tanks that buy hundreds of

1900
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:42,869
thousands of copies and give them away

1901
01:21:48,289 --> 01:21:45,719
as premiums for people to donate yes

1902
01:21:50,749 --> 01:21:48,299
that's likely yeah yeah maybe it was a

1903
01:21:53,059 --> 01:21:50,759
tabloid think-tank we'd be in but anyway

1904
01:21:54,829 --> 01:21:53,069
people do want the book and before it's

1905
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:54,839
you know and can't wait a couple of

1906
01:21:58,309 --> 01:21:56,699
months they could always come to my

1907
01:22:00,889 --> 01:21:58,319
website and order it directly from there

1908
01:22:01,410 --> 01:22:00,899
which is bannister books calm now I want

1909
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:01,420
to ask you

1910
01:22:03,959 --> 01:22:02,710
something here which occurred to me

1911
01:22:06,689 --> 01:22:03,969
before we did a break about the

1912
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:06,699
astronauts is it landing on the moon

1913
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:09,130
being on the moon that changed their

1914
01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:12,010
philosophies or does that conspiracy

1915
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,070
theory arise something happened there no

1916
01:22:19,530 --> 01:22:17,440
Edie Edie expressed it to me that he

1917
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:19,540
said it was the sense of being away from

1918
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:22,030
your mother planet and to be able to

1919
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:24,130
look back at it and see it against a

1920
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:29,650
backdrop of almost infinity so I'd to be

1921
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:31,510
see that we're living on this beautiful

1922
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:35,890
blue marble and don't appreciate it

1923
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:38,110
we're so concerned with traffic jams and

1924
01:22:43,919 --> 01:22:40,690
overdrafts and all the things that the

1925
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:43,929
minutia to step back and look at the

1926
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:48,400
whole picture was was the important

1927
01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:49,600
thing I'm sorry I don't have a

1928
01:22:56,459 --> 01:22:53,460
conspiracy theory for you on that but

1929
01:23:00,660 --> 01:22:56,469
that was their consciousness raising or

1930
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:00,670
changing event it wasn't so much they

1931
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:02,890
saw et and had to spread the knowledge

1932
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:07,690
no no Sheppard actually reported UFOs

1933
01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:09,489
and one of the other thing was it was it

1934
01:23:15,660 --> 01:23:12,160
Glenn also reported mysterious

1935
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:15,670
happenings that they they sawed off the

1936
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:18,250
planet but I I don't know I've not

1937
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:19,810
personal knowledge of that and I have

1938
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:22,199
been wouldn't hesitate

1939
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:25,840
okay well getting into UFOs you covered

1940
01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:29,199
stories about UFOs not too many I my

1941
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:31,870
stories I did were mostly ghosts the

1942
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:34,150
spontaneous you know RSP K both

1943
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:35,290
psychokinesis

1944
01:23:42,540 --> 01:23:40,090
I went from Iceland to Brazil I went to

1945
01:23:43,709 --> 01:23:42,550
see be probably the best ghost story

1946
01:23:46,050 --> 01:23:43,719
ever and that was the Enfield

1947
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:46,060
poltergeist not to be confused with the

1948
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:47,820
psychic chicken that was a poltergeist

1949
01:23:54,780 --> 01:23:51,449
the the poltergeist in Enfield was

1950
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,790
talking ghosts they were actually voices

1951
01:23:59,760 --> 01:23:57,120
coming out of apparently know where the

1952
01:24:01,740 --> 01:23:59,770
the SSP are Society for psychical

1953
01:24:03,959 --> 01:24:01,750
research put two researchers into that

1954
01:24:05,729 --> 01:24:03,969
house for five months or maybe the seven

1955
01:24:07,919 --> 01:24:05,739
it was around a half a year anyway that

1956
01:24:10,740 --> 01:24:07,929
was their names a place for guy play

1957
01:24:12,510 --> 01:24:10,750
fair and if I called Maurice grosse then

1958
01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:12,520
they lived with this family that would

1959
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:15,340
just be set by paranormal phenomenon

1960
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,170
I mean I went along then I saw some of

1961
01:24:20,940 --> 01:24:19,360
that myself and it's always very

1962
01:24:23,850 --> 01:24:20,950
convincingly see it for yourself you

1963
01:24:25,380 --> 01:24:23,860
know I'm sure you know gene it's not if

1964
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:25,390
somebody tells you say yeah well you

1965
01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:28,210
probably miss this gene gene scares all

1966
01:24:31,050 --> 01:24:29,740
that type of stuff away he's never

1967
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,060
really had that kind of experience

1968
01:24:35,790 --> 01:24:33,520
before they see me and they go there in

1969
01:24:37,140 --> 01:24:35,800
fact there's somebody our marketing

1970
01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:37,150
person said to me we should have a

1971
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:39,700
webcam you know put me and Chris on

1972
01:24:43,620 --> 01:24:41,260
YouTube I said you want to scare all the

1973
01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:43,630
listeners away look we're in Atlanta

1974
01:24:46,860 --> 01:24:45,460
we're in New Jersey we're in New York

1975
01:24:49,310 --> 01:24:46,870
the show is getting bigger and better

1976
01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:49,320
why do you want to lose listeners a

1977
01:24:56,820 --> 01:24:54,460
fatal mistake no what are you gonna do

1978
01:24:58,260 --> 01:24:56,830
when they when we go video gene we're

1979
01:25:02,880 --> 01:24:58,270
gonna have to like get a cardboard

1980
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:02,890
cutout of Tom Cruise or somebody Tom

1981
01:25:06,330 --> 01:25:04,150
Cruise used to wear all those great

1982
01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:06,340
masks in Mission Impossible but I was

1983
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:08,350
thinking in the sense I can become like

1984
01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:09,130
the shadow

1985
01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:12,460
you know cloud men's and women's minds

1986
01:25:16,350 --> 01:25:14,470
so they cannot see me because I will say

1987
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:16,360
who knows what he will lurks in the

1988
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:19,600
heart of men the shadow silhouette I

1989
01:25:29,490 --> 01:25:27,790
just do this laughter that was actually

1990
01:25:32,220 --> 01:25:29,500
pretty good man I'm going to sell that

1991
01:25:33,540 --> 01:25:32,230
to Nick Redfern Colleen sure I'm not

1992
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:33,550
doing it again it's just a one-time

1993
01:25:40,890 --> 01:25:39,250
thrill Nick slabs Nick Redfern has these

1994
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:40,900
fabulous laughs we're thinking of

1995
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:43,210
looping them just having him sit before

1996
01:25:49,230 --> 01:25:45,670
a microphone do laughs and then we just

1997
01:25:51,450 --> 01:25:49,240
play them you know man you better

1998
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:51,460
trickster laughs though no don't get me

1999
01:26:00,360 --> 01:25:58,080
speaking of UFOs you knew people in the

2000
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:00,370
UFO field like Bob Pratt yes I did

2001
01:26:05,370 --> 01:26:02,110
yes I did I'll even assume another

2002
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:05,380
identity Bob was a wonderful man

2003
01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:07,330
actually he was he and I played tennis

2004
01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:10,270
together and separately but he was the

2005
01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:13,300
Enquirer's UFO guy I mean and he he

2006
01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:16,870
traveled the world for them I mean my

2007
01:26:21,260 --> 01:26:18,940
experience of UFOs was quite limited

2008
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:21,270
I've got one or two stories for you but

2009
01:26:25,710 --> 01:26:23,890
no bob was a very very diligent and

2010
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:25,720
well-respected reporter I liked him a

2011
01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:28,960
great deal we played we used to play a

2012
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:30,670
trick on him actually we played a couple

2013
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:34,410
to be honest because he was with a light

2014
01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:37,840
he kept a log book you know of his fuel

2015
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:41,230
mileage and so on and so we started

2016
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:43,390
putting extra gas in his car well you

2017
01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:45,610
know what I was in the office and then

2018
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:48,670
for a while we siphon some out but that

2019
01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:50,530
got to be too messy and too painful so

2020
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:52,270
we we decided to do something else and

2021
01:26:56,430 --> 01:26:55,360
faith that his wife faith gay was a key

2022
01:26:58,830 --> 01:26:56,440
to his car

2023
01:27:01,740 --> 01:26:58,840
so we'd move it a couple of spaces from

2024
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:01,750
where he parked it and this went on for

2025
01:27:06,810 --> 01:27:04,990
probably three or heaps the guy was the

2026
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:06,820
guy was reinterred out his own sanity

2027
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:08,650
you know he because he always try to

2028
01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:11,410
park close to the office and it benches

2029
01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:14,680
over from Wade left it and he caught you

2030
01:27:20,430 --> 01:27:16,120
dealing with you know some pretty spooky

2031
01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:20,440
stuff and his stories and he comes out

2032
01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:23,580
you know somebody's moved his car again

2033
01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:25,990
we finally told him it relieved his

2034
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:27,880
mental stress quite a lot I think it

2035
01:27:31,380 --> 01:27:29,950
wasn't the men in black they might have

2036
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:31,390
been them as well you're on the men in

2037
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:36,730
black the Galaxy defenders we have to

2038
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,410
mention Jean the classic scene in the

2039
01:27:43,260 --> 01:27:40,000
first men in black movie where Tommy Lee

2040
01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:43,270
Jones is walking by a newspaper stand in

2041
01:27:45,810 --> 01:27:44,740
New York and goes oh wait a minute I

2042
01:27:48,780 --> 01:27:45,820
have to check out and see what's been

2043
01:27:51,180 --> 01:27:48,790
going on and and I correct me if I'm

2044
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:51,190
wrong Paul but didn't he pick up a copy

2045
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:53,170
of The Enquirer I wouldn't have blamed

2046
01:27:59,580 --> 01:27:58,000
him he did in timely Will Smith goes

2047
01:28:00,990 --> 01:27:59,590
well what are you looking at that for he

2048
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:01,000
goes hey we got to get these stories out

2049
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:13,330
somehow you know renting and watching

2050
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:15,730
Vincent D'Onofrio of course who plays

2051
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:18,250
detective Goren on Law & Order criminal

2052
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:23,440
intent being an alien bug you know I've

2053
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:25,510
just finished a novel it's setting third

2054
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:27,190
century Britain and it's actually based

2055
01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:29,290
on a true story maybe I should put a

2056
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:32,470
couple of aliens in there no you fo need

2057
01:28:37,890 --> 01:28:35,770
to Roman Britain cross-market it well

2058
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:37,900
you're just David interesting aside

2059
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:39,330
about Bob Brown

2060
01:28:46,910 --> 01:28:44,130
he dug into the Dulce New Mexico cattle

2061
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:46,920
mutilation cases in the late 70s which

2062
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:49,860
actually or I think are very important

2063
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:52,620
in terms of the amount of actual hard

2064
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:54,120
data that we have on that particular

2065
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:56,940
mystery and one of the people that

2066
01:29:02,090 --> 01:28:59,100
assisted him in in the investigative

2067
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:02,100
work was my mentor David Perkins and I

2068
01:29:04,700 --> 01:29:03,810
was speaking with David last night and

2069
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:04,710
he was thrilled that you were gonna be

2070
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,320
on the on the show and and talk about

2071
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,360
this whole subject of tabloid journalism

2072
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:11,760
in the paranormal and he mentioned a

2073
01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:13,410
very interesting story to me which I

2074
01:29:18,140 --> 01:29:15,300
would like to quickly relate and that is

2075
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:18,150
it that Pratt was told by the

2076
01:29:23,980 --> 01:29:20,610
headquarters to get a quote from Perkins

2077
01:29:26,510 --> 01:29:23,990
that he thought UFOs were

2078
01:29:28,190 --> 01:29:26,520
extraterrestrials coming here for

2079
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,200
purposes unknown or whatever he was

2080
01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:30,480
given a quote to sign off on and if he

2081
01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:32,280
would they pay him like five hundred

2082
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:34,350
dollars and before we get to the

2083
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:36,690
conclusion of the story the rest of the

2084
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:39,600
story is Paul Harlan said who we've cut

2085
01:29:44,210 --> 01:29:41,970
Paul banister joining us Chris O'Brien's

2086
01:29:52,410 --> 01:29:44,220
the co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in

2087
01:29:57,089 --> 01:29:54,890
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2191
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2192
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2193
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sausage smear and I'm here to say a good

2194
01:34:12,810 --> 01:34:10,540
word or two about the para cast which I

2195
01:34:20,900 --> 01:34:12,820
believe is the gold standard the

2196
01:34:26,220 --> 01:34:23,700
Paul banister joins us talk about

2197
01:34:29,220 --> 01:34:26,230
tabloid man and all the ramifications

2198
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:29,230
there of Chris O'Brien's the co-host on

2199
01:34:34,410 --> 01:34:32,050
gene Steinberger in the para cast so

2200
01:34:38,010 --> 01:34:34,420
you're telling us a conspiracy story

2201
01:34:41,130 --> 01:34:38,020
well yeah and and I I kind of question

2202
01:34:42,860 --> 01:34:41,140
David pretty closely about this and he

2203
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:42,870
said the Pratt was pretty uncomfortable

2204
01:34:48,210 --> 01:34:45,190
but it was almost like he was being

2205
01:34:50,810 --> 01:34:48,220
forced to try to get this quote from

2206
01:34:52,980 --> 01:34:50,820
David signing off on the idea that

2207
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:52,990
extraterrestrials were coming here and

2208
01:34:57,300 --> 01:34:55,210
I'm not sure if it was involved with a

2209
01:34:59,730 --> 01:34:57,310
cow mutilation story but definitely UFOs

2210
01:35:03,090 --> 01:34:59,740
were involved and he was being offered

2211
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:03,100
basically a payoff to sign off on this

2212
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:06,490
particular quote David believed he

2213
01:35:11,010 --> 01:35:08,800
believed David thinks that this is all

2214
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:11,020
the manifestations from the collective

2215
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:12,730
unconscious it's all biological it's

2216
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:15,370
closed system he's and he does not buy

2217
01:35:19,770 --> 01:35:17,650
into the whole idea of ETS coming here

2218
01:35:21,210 --> 01:35:19,780
at the time his thinking hadn't

2219
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:21,220
developed to the point that it has now

2220
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:25,330
but he refused to do it and then out of

2221
01:35:30,090 --> 01:35:28,270
the blue he said about a week later he

2222
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:30,100
got a check for that amount anyway even

2223
01:35:37,470 --> 01:35:36,010
though he didn't sign off on it well

2224
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:37,480
I'll tell you what that money wasn't

2225
01:35:42,630 --> 01:35:40,330
important to them that's evidently the

2226
01:35:44,820 --> 01:35:42,640
the other thing is that it might be that

2227
01:35:48,180 --> 01:35:44,830
some editor had got the idea I got a

2228
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:48,190
headline written in his mind I wanted

2229
01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:50,320
you know top expert and this is often

2230
01:35:53,730 --> 01:35:52,000
the way that they did work I have to say

2231
01:35:55,530 --> 01:35:53,740
and they they certainly do that now I

2232
01:35:57,930 --> 01:35:55,540
can give you chapter and verse on that

2233
01:35:59,460 --> 01:35:57,940
it's like the magic Christian what's

2234
01:36:03,300 --> 01:35:59,470
your price yeah they probably sort of

2235
01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:03,310
say UFOs are real ETS are coming here I

2236
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:04,780
mean it could be as simple as that

2237
01:36:09,180 --> 01:36:06,850
somebody's got that they say now find an

2238
01:36:11,459 --> 01:36:09,190
expert to say just I said before you

2239
01:36:14,669 --> 01:36:11,469
know whatever it is cue

2240
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:14,679
cancer you know 29 people say no one

2241
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:16,690
says maybe and so they probably said

2242
01:36:20,009 --> 01:36:18,489
we'll get the best expert in the field

2243
01:36:22,649 --> 01:36:20,019
they probably thought he believed that

2244
01:36:23,819 --> 01:36:22,659
and if the guy says no he says no and he

2245
01:36:27,419 --> 01:36:23,829
did say no they probably found somebody

2246
01:36:30,649 --> 01:36:27,429
else to say it they paid him anyway the

2247
01:36:33,989 --> 01:36:30,659
same amount I find that very revealing

2248
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:33,999
why not I mean no he's cooperated in

2249
01:36:40,169 --> 01:36:37,840
giving him giving Bob an interview there

2250
01:36:42,109 --> 01:36:40,179
he's he's home and a lot of time with

2251
01:36:44,939 --> 01:36:42,119
him he took him all over the place and

2252
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:44,949
requires time but yeah but he's probably

2253
01:36:48,779 --> 01:36:46,570
just a thank you for his time I mean

2254
01:36:49,770 --> 01:36:48,789
$500 is just a drop in the bucket I mean

2255
01:36:51,839 --> 01:36:49,780
you know yeah

2256
01:36:53,250 --> 01:36:51,849
well they did not care now they do now

2257
01:36:54,930 --> 01:36:53,260
they can't afford freelancers they're

2258
01:36:57,540 --> 01:36:54,940
down to like four or five stuff guys and

2259
01:36:58,140 --> 01:36:57,550
that's it you know they're totally out

2260
01:37:00,270 --> 01:36:58,150
of money now

2261
01:37:03,509 --> 01:37:00,280
well well Bob was a top-notch

2262
01:37:05,969 --> 01:37:03,519
investigator the Caloris story at the

2263
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:05,979
mouth of the Amazon down in Brazil with

2264
01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:07,690
the troopers and the deaths that were

2265
01:37:11,969 --> 01:37:10,150
that were reported from these objects

2266
01:37:14,069 --> 01:37:11,979
that were flying through the jungle one

2267
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:14,079
of the most I think intriguing and

2268
01:37:18,540 --> 01:37:16,150
pivotal cases in the annals of ufology

2269
01:37:20,939 --> 01:37:18,550
of course is Jacques Vallee covered the

2270
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:20,949
case and work with Bob in his book

2271
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:24,880
confrontations which is didn't he didn't

2272
01:37:34,979 --> 01:37:29,920
write invisible college yes and holes in

2273
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:34,989
that flawed in some of our findings well

2274
01:37:40,069 --> 01:37:36,880
you know Valley's thinking I think is

2275
01:37:45,450 --> 01:37:40,079
riddled with with you know questionable

2276
01:37:47,279 --> 01:37:45,460
hypotheses but at least he's attempting

2277
01:37:48,810 --> 01:37:47,289
to think creatively I mean that's yes

2278
01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:48,820
one thing you have to give valet at

2279
01:37:53,219 --> 01:37:50,590
least he's an out-of-the-box thinker and

2280
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:53,229
I think bob was more of a you know a

2281
01:37:58,109 --> 01:37:56,170
gumshoe nuts and bolt kind of guy but

2282
01:38:00,899 --> 01:37:58,119
the combination of those two talents

2283
01:38:03,089 --> 01:38:00,909
together is is pretty daunting and and

2284
01:38:05,009 --> 01:38:03,099
they did do some work together and it's

2285
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:05,019
unfortunate that Bob's still not with us

2286
01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:09,280
I think he spent years traveling around

2287
01:38:14,250 --> 01:38:11,860
doing hard journalism for The Enquirer

2288
01:38:16,109 --> 01:38:14,260
and you know he was pretty much in

2289
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:16,119
charge of the UFO desk just countless

2290
01:38:19,770 --> 01:38:17,530
stories that he was able to break

2291
01:38:22,819 --> 01:38:19,780
through that publication before the

2292
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:22,829
internet when we didn't have the the

2293
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:24,130
24/7

2294
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:26,650
internet news cycle for UFO reports I

2295
01:38:29,879 --> 01:38:28,330
find out about UFO reports from the

2296
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:29,889
other side of the world sometimes within

2297
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:30,810
minutes

2298
01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:33,489
Carine back then you really had to dig

2299
01:38:37,860 --> 01:38:35,230
for it and bob was a real trooper and

2300
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:37,870
from from what I know of his work and

2301
01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:41,679
and you too I mean having a conversation

2302
01:38:45,390 --> 01:38:44,020
with a ghost I mean boy there's a lot of

2303
01:38:47,129 --> 01:38:45,400
people in our audience that would just

2304
01:38:48,540 --> 01:38:47,139
they would love to be in a position to

2305
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:48,550
be able to document something like that

2306
01:38:52,050 --> 01:38:50,290
I never went into that too much tell us

2307
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:52,060
about the conversation with the ghost

2308
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:53,920
before we go on get back to Bob practice

2309
01:38:58,169 --> 01:38:55,810
that's the conversation okay this dwell

2310
01:39:01,640 --> 01:38:58,179
us to this there's one incident where a

2311
01:39:04,140 --> 01:39:01,650
ghost overrode what I was saying and

2312
01:39:06,180 --> 01:39:04,150
corrected me and I've got that on tape

2313
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:06,190
and that actually you your listeners can

2314
01:39:11,729 --> 01:39:09,850
hear that on on banister books calm just

2315
01:39:14,729 --> 01:39:11,739
a couple of weeks ago uploaded the thing

2316
01:39:16,830 --> 01:39:14,739
I didn't got my IT guys but conversation

2317
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:16,840
thing we talked about the Enfield

2318
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:20,110
poltergeist this house of the background

2319
01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:21,610
to it was as a family a woman

2320
01:39:26,490 --> 01:39:24,280
desperately poor for children I think

2321
01:39:30,180 --> 01:39:26,500
only three of them were actually at home

2322
01:39:32,010 --> 01:39:30,190
and the place was just bombarded for

2323
01:39:32,939 --> 01:39:32,020
months and months if I eat went on for

2324
01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:32,949
more than a year

2325
01:39:37,979 --> 01:39:35,560
Enfield is is a as a suburb in London

2326
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:37,989
and the family will call the Hodgson's

2327
01:39:44,129 --> 01:39:40,800
Dave they were they were getting

2328
01:39:48,180 --> 01:39:44,139
obscenities and animal-like grunts and

2329
01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:48,190
growls and screams coming in with nobody

2330
01:39:54,209 --> 01:39:51,790
there then they were getting apparitions

2331
01:39:56,129 --> 01:39:54,219
on the stairs things you know half a man

2332
01:39:58,290 --> 01:39:56,139
walking down the stairs walking up the

2333
01:40:00,720 --> 01:39:58,300
stairs just the lower half of him the

2334
01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:00,730
children were claiming and they were

2335
01:40:05,010 --> 01:40:03,310
witnessed actually I spoke to him they

2336
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:05,020
lived up at the school and the crossing

2337
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:07,449
warden there and she told me she'd seen

2338
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:09,850
these children floating by the upstairs

2339
01:40:15,060 --> 01:40:12,130
window this it was a tiny house you know

2340
01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:15,070
two down two up house and she'd seen the

2341
01:40:19,770 --> 01:40:16,870
children floating by the window upstairs

2342
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:19,780
and their bare feet bumping against the

2343
01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:22,480
glass on the inside a neighbor said that

2344
01:40:26,939 --> 01:40:24,520
one of these children is actually less

2345
01:40:29,220 --> 01:40:26,949
difficult it's incredible I floated

2346
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:29,230
through the wall into her upstairs

2347
01:40:33,780 --> 01:40:32,110
bedroom she heard a noise went in there

2348
01:40:35,729 --> 01:40:33,790
and this child was in midair and then

2349
01:40:37,140 --> 01:40:35,739
floated back to the wall this after

2350
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:37,150
ition of the child probably who can't

2351
01:40:40,290 --> 01:40:37,690
see

2352
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:40,300
solid but anyway so I show up though so

2353
01:40:44,910 --> 01:40:43,210
I can tell you what I saw I went in

2354
01:40:47,939 --> 01:40:44,920
there with Maurice grosse who was living

2355
01:40:51,390 --> 01:40:47,949
at the place very respected researcher

2356
01:40:53,070 --> 01:40:51,400
for the SPR and as I went in I was

2357
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,080
passing one of these children about a

2358
01:40:58,590 --> 01:40:55,360
ten-year-old and a voice came out from

2359
01:41:02,250 --> 01:40:58,600
near the child and it growled at me it

2360
01:41:03,810 --> 01:41:02,260
was right now my ear and I kind of what

2361
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,820
are you trying to do and the voice said

2362
01:41:07,380 --> 01:41:05,920
kill you I see what you got to try

2363
01:41:09,870 --> 01:41:07,390
harder than that because you sound like

2364
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:09,880
a dog you just sound like a dog growling

2365
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:12,010
I'm gonna get you some kena meat it's in

2366
01:41:17,370 --> 01:41:14,650
English dog food see that voice follow

2367
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:17,380
me around for the next two days and he

2368
01:41:22,410 --> 01:41:20,500
can he can I meet and I was laughing at

2369
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:22,420
the thing I mean I didn't feel

2370
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:24,210
particularly threatened I mean it was

2371
01:41:30,689 --> 01:41:28,390
interesting I saw furniture move not

2372
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:30,699
just move at a lightweight chair spun

2373
01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:33,520
180 degrees moved four and a half feet

2374
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:36,550
from a corner when I was six feet from

2375
01:41:40,650 --> 01:41:38,290
it was one of the person in the room and

2376
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:40,660
child and she was sitting on the other

2377
01:41:43,740 --> 01:41:42,250
side of the room on the other side of

2378
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:43,750
the fireplace nobody was near it I

2379
01:41:48,930 --> 01:41:45,489
wouldn't examined it there was no

2380
01:41:50,669 --> 01:41:48,940
apparatus though cause of your ring kept

2381
01:41:53,459 --> 01:41:50,679
appearing on the floor and like in the

2382
01:41:54,450 --> 01:41:53,469
kitchen when there was nobody in there

2383
01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:54,460
there couldn't have been anybody in

2384
01:41:58,350 --> 01:41:56,260
there the door was bolted twice on the

2385
01:42:00,419 --> 01:41:58,360
inside that window was painted shut I

2386
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:00,429
went upstairs as a noise I said I went

2387
01:42:04,410 --> 01:42:02,290
stairs and the bed had an indentation

2388
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:04,420
something was lying on it and while I

2389
01:42:07,950 --> 01:42:06,130
watched it with a couple of other people

2390
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:07,960
were in the doorway the whole thing

2391
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:09,760
moved as if somebody was shifting in bed

2392
01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:13,090
it was stuff went on and on and on I was

2393
01:42:18,209 --> 01:42:15,580
there for just a couple three days and I

2394
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:18,219
had a list of oh I don't know 20 things

2395
01:42:25,490 --> 01:42:21,280
that happened footsteps doors opening

2396
01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:25,500
and closing even a piece of furniture

2397
01:42:31,740 --> 01:42:28,540
balancing impossible is a a chair was

2398
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:31,750
balancing on two legs on top of the

2399
01:42:35,220 --> 01:42:33,550
kitchen table how did that get there

2400
01:42:40,380 --> 01:42:35,230
sounds like a scene from the movie

2401
01:42:41,820 --> 01:42:40,390
poltergeist right how did that challenge

2402
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:41,830
your thinking I mean when you went into

2403
01:42:48,810 --> 01:42:47,410
the case did you leave yeah I had you

2404
01:42:51,190 --> 01:42:48,820
know a few years of looking at this

2405
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:51,200
stuff and I'd been too

2406
01:42:56,440 --> 01:42:53,690
Munich to see a professor that called

2407
01:42:58,210 --> 01:42:56,450
ham spender who around the Institute for

2408
01:43:02,170 --> 01:42:58,220
something rather in Freiburg in the

2409
01:43:04,210 --> 01:43:02,180
Black Forest and bender said that all

2410
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:04,220
these are spk lusts recurring

2411
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:07,010
spontaneous psychokinesis if when my

2412
01:43:11,850 --> 01:43:09,530
double is too much he said that they're

2413
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:11,860
mostly a question of Mental Hygiene

2414
01:43:17,550 --> 01:43:14,480
there's usually an agent usually an

2415
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:17,560
adolescent who causes things to happen

2416
01:43:22,510 --> 01:43:20,210
so it's as if this adolescent for a

2417
01:43:25,410 --> 01:43:22,520
while until they grow out of it is able

2418
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:25,420
to affect the energy that makes things

2419
01:43:29,410 --> 01:43:27,440
for instance you know that your desk

2420
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:29,420
isn't solid it's a mass of protons and

2421
01:43:34,330 --> 01:43:31,670
neutrons and they're revolving in a

2422
01:43:36,190 --> 01:43:34,340
pattern and what holds them in that

2423
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,200
pattern is energy and if you can affect

2424
01:43:40,060 --> 01:43:38,480
the energy I mean technically you could

2425
01:43:41,470 --> 01:43:40,070
make your desk melt or something you

2426
01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:41,480
know you can make your desk turn into a

2427
01:43:47,890 --> 01:43:45,260
frog or whatever but maybe there's an

2428
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:47,900
energy we don't know about yet I mean

2429
01:43:50,860 --> 01:43:49,370
what do we know about electricity couple

2430
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:50,870
hundred years ago we knew lightning I

2431
01:43:57,250 --> 01:43:54,080
mean so maybe there's an undiscovered

2432
01:43:59,320 --> 01:43:57,260
energy that is some kind of building

2433
01:44:03,250 --> 01:43:59,330
block and if you can affect that in some

2434
01:44:05,170 --> 01:44:03,260
way then you can you know you could melt

2435
01:44:10,180 --> 01:44:05,180
the porcelain plate kind of thing you

2436
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:10,190
know or create a you know a temporary

2437
01:44:16,210 --> 01:44:14,090
life form basically why not exactly I

2438
01:44:18,910 --> 01:44:16,220
mean all you know you're you're totally

2439
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:18,920
pulling down the barriers of possibility

2440
01:44:24,730 --> 01:44:21,650
if you're able to actually manipulate

2441
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:24,740
the energy into a new form obviously you

2442
01:44:29,260 --> 01:44:26,960
can't create or destroy energy all you

2443
01:44:31,530 --> 01:44:29,270
can do is alter its form we can't alter

2444
01:44:34,660 --> 01:44:31,540
this form because the sponsors beckon us

2445
01:44:37,090 --> 01:44:34,670
Paul banister joins us gene Steinberg is

2446
01:44:42,020 --> 01:44:37,100
myself Chris O'Brien is the co-host

2447
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:44,700
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2448
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:47,330
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

2449
01:44:51,370 --> 01:44:49,370
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2450
01:44:53,260 --> 01:44:51,380
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2459
01:45:14,140 --> 01:45:12,770
six nine seventy seven hundred hi this

2460
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:14,150
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

2461
01:45:17,380 --> 01:45:15,710
why banks stockbrokers investment

2462
01:45:18,850 --> 01:45:17,390
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

2463
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:18,860
they've been available since nineteen

2464
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:20,449
eighty six yet the financial industry

2465
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:22,130
won't recognize the value of gold for

2466
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:22,850
your retirement

2467
01:45:26,500 --> 01:45:24,560
gold has outperformed paper investments

2468
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:26,510
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2469
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:57,129
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2470
01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:00,080
the final hour of the power cast with

2471
01:46:05,569 --> 01:46:02,190
Paul Bannister joining us the book is

2472
01:46:07,819 --> 01:46:05,579
tabloid man some fabulous experiences

2473
01:46:10,850 --> 01:46:07,829
working for the National Enquirer

2474
01:46:13,939 --> 01:46:10,860
and the fact that it had a higher set of

2475
01:46:15,799 --> 01:46:13,949
standards that maybe people suspected at

2476
01:46:18,350 --> 01:46:15,809
the time Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm

2477
01:46:20,450 --> 01:46:18,360
Jean Steinberg crisp maybe we should

2478
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:20,460
move into some of the questions before

2479
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:22,110
we go on you know that's a good idea

2480
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:25,280
Jean and we do have some good ones Paul

2481
01:46:32,379 --> 01:46:28,800
let me just start I'm not gonna throw

2482
01:46:35,089 --> 01:46:32,389
them at you in any particular order but

2483
01:46:37,970 --> 01:46:35,099
here's one from exo doc who is a

2484
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:37,980
longtime post or on our forum and he's

2485
01:46:42,740 --> 01:46:40,320
got three questions the first is is

2486
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:42,750
there a conspiracy of ridicule in the

2487
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:45,119
media concerning not just UFOs but

2488
01:46:49,819 --> 01:46:47,690
ghosts psychic phenomenon and other

2489
01:46:52,220 --> 01:46:49,829
unusual things that make people feel

2490
01:46:56,169 --> 01:46:52,230
insecure or is that just the way the new

2491
01:46:59,000 --> 01:46:56,179
system works good question I think

2492
01:47:02,720 --> 01:46:59,010
people tend to be afraid of what they

2493
01:47:04,879 --> 01:47:02,730
don't understand news we found one of

2494
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:04,889
the reasons are there so many Brits on

2495
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:07,050
the Enquirer was ever say it was

2496
01:47:12,169 --> 01:47:09,570
competition but the other thing was that

2497
01:47:13,819 --> 01:47:12,179
American journalists were leery of

2498
01:47:18,049 --> 01:47:13,829
joining up because they were very

2499
01:47:19,899 --> 01:47:18,059
conscious of their their reputation they

2500
01:47:24,919 --> 01:47:19,909
wanted to be you know the dignified

2501
01:47:26,660 --> 01:47:24,929
senior statesman and the Brits tended to

2502
01:47:29,450 --> 01:47:26,670
be a bit more rough and tumble with you

2503
01:47:31,580 --> 01:47:29,460
know fighting for stories and so what

2504
01:47:34,399 --> 01:47:31,590
sort of happened was if it wasn't a

2505
01:47:36,470 --> 01:47:34,409
respectable thing then the American

2506
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:36,480
journalist by and large didn't want to

2507
01:47:40,779 --> 01:47:38,400
know they they looked down on the

2508
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:40,789
Enquirer on the tabloids generally as

2509
01:47:46,850 --> 01:47:44,610
people who'd sold out you know one of my

2510
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:46,860
one of my colleagues there ray Smith he

2511
01:47:49,850 --> 01:47:48,480
told one of his Canadian pastor said if

2512
01:47:51,859 --> 01:47:49,860
you see my mom when you go back up to

2513
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:51,869
Toronto said don't tell her I'm on The

2514
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:54,210
Enquirer she thinks I'm playing piano in

2515
01:48:01,370 --> 01:47:57,920
a whorehouse now

2516
01:48:04,279 --> 01:48:01,380
we get this we used to get this from

2517
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:04,289
other you know from the National you

2518
01:48:08,089 --> 01:48:06,449
know some the big the mainstream media

2519
01:48:14,569 --> 01:48:08,099
they

2520
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:14,579
national newspapers in Britain I work

2521
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,489
for the BBC I would take on any reporter

2522
01:48:21,529 --> 01:48:19,679
from any newspaper in America and give

2523
01:48:22,939 --> 01:48:21,539
them a good run because I work for the

2524
01:48:25,099 --> 01:48:22,949
Inquirer it doesn't mean I'm no good as

2525
01:48:27,739 --> 01:48:25,109
a journalist I'm a good journalist as

2526
01:48:30,020 --> 01:48:27,749
happens and Pope paid us about three

2527
01:48:32,810 --> 01:48:30,030
times what we would get on a major

2528
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:32,820
newspaper in the States and that ranked

2529
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:34,530
all people that were you just making up

2530
01:48:39,709 --> 01:48:37,050
stories absolute rubbish we didn't make

2531
01:48:43,369 --> 01:48:39,719
up stories we didn't lose libel actions

2532
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,379
I agree that we didn't present stories

2533
01:48:47,509 --> 01:48:45,119
all the time and we said all of these

2534
01:48:49,580 --> 01:48:47,519
are the two sides of it because that

2535
01:48:51,049 --> 01:48:49,590
wasn't the way the paper was run Pope

2536
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:51,059
said we're not going to confuse the

2537
01:48:55,909 --> 01:48:54,090
reader with arguments stories are black

2538
01:48:57,949 --> 01:48:55,919
and white well in the real world stories

2539
01:48:59,709 --> 01:48:57,959
are not black and white they're grey and

2540
01:49:03,199 --> 01:48:59,719
that's really what it gets down to so

2541
01:49:04,429 --> 01:49:03,209
conspiracy ridicule I think it's just

2542
01:49:06,619 --> 01:49:04,439
that they're you know that the

2543
01:49:08,989 --> 01:49:06,629
mainstream media is afraid to deal with

2544
01:49:13,279 --> 01:49:08,999
it they don't know how to pigeonhole it

2545
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:13,289
new hire wasn't afraid of it and people

2546
01:49:17,330 --> 01:49:14,639
being people people talk about

2547
01:49:19,429 --> 01:49:17,340
interesting things you know I wouldn't

2548
01:49:22,729 --> 01:49:19,439
be discussing you know pork belly future

2549
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,739
prices you know over a glass of wine but

2550
01:49:26,839 --> 01:49:25,199
I certainly would talk about ghosts yeah

2551
01:49:28,879 --> 01:49:26,849
that makes sense well you kind of

2552
01:49:30,859 --> 01:49:28,889
answered question number two which was

2553
01:49:32,959 --> 01:49:30,869
have you been treated how have you been

2554
01:49:34,699 --> 01:49:32,969
treated by other mainstream reporters

2555
01:49:36,319 --> 01:49:34,709
and journalists I think you answered

2556
01:49:40,129 --> 01:49:36,329
that question the third question is a

2557
01:49:42,199 --> 01:49:40,139
good one too is unbiased news dead by

2558
01:49:44,119 --> 01:49:42,209
that I mean is there any source of news

2559
01:49:46,909 --> 01:49:44,129
anymore that isn't trying to sway us

2560
01:49:49,449 --> 01:49:46,919
politically to the media moguls way of

2561
01:49:51,709 --> 01:49:49,459
thinking or has it always been this way

2562
01:49:54,919 --> 01:49:51,719
I'm an old guy and I've been around

2563
01:49:58,580 --> 01:49:54,929
newspapers on it on two continents for a

2564
01:50:01,009 --> 01:49:58,590
long time and I've never ever apart from

2565
01:50:03,290 --> 01:50:01,019
you know obvious ones with inquire when

2566
01:50:07,069 --> 01:50:03,300
they say well go and get this story you

2567
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:07,079
know get the story of how you know

2568
01:50:11,569 --> 01:50:09,209
psychic functioning can improve your

2569
01:50:16,369 --> 01:50:11,579
quality of life I've never ever been

2570
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,379
given direction on a news story yes no

2571
01:50:21,919 --> 01:50:18,239
that's that's good that's a good thing

2572
01:50:24,260 --> 01:50:21,929
it's true now obviously if if I

2573
01:50:27,229 --> 01:50:24,270
working for you know a very conservative

2574
01:50:29,180 --> 01:50:27,239
newspaper I probably not be out there

2575
01:50:32,060 --> 01:50:29,190
advocating gay marriage or something you

2576
01:50:34,250 --> 01:50:32,070
know because you have an idea what the

2577
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:34,260
tone of the paper is and that's the the

2578
01:50:38,330 --> 01:50:35,850
tone of that paper is what attracts that

2579
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:38,340
paper's readers that niche market so

2580
01:50:44,090 --> 01:50:41,130
basically in general newspapers are

2581
01:50:46,010 --> 01:50:44,100
never 100% fair and balanced there's

2582
01:50:47,390 --> 01:50:46,020
always some kind of slant that that's

2583
01:50:49,459 --> 01:50:47,400
probably true they know what their

2584
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:49,469
market is and they tend to pander to

2585
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:52,170
that I mean Fox News knows where its

2586
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:54,449
market is and I regard its reporting

2587
01:50:59,870 --> 01:50:57,360
with all of a suspicion but some of it

2588
01:51:01,760 --> 01:50:59,880
some of what people see as an outright

2589
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:01,770
conspiracy in the media it's just either

2590
01:51:08,570 --> 01:51:04,800
laziness or lack of funds or lack of

2591
01:51:10,399 --> 01:51:08,580
skill bill they'll pick what was that

2592
01:51:14,090 --> 01:51:10,409
story just a week or so ago about a

2593
01:51:15,770 --> 01:51:14,100
dozen bodies in in Texas and it was run

2594
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:15,780
off a rumor some woman said I'm a

2595
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:18,570
psychic I see all these bodies she knew

2596
01:51:21,620 --> 01:51:20,010
enough about the interior of the house

2597
01:51:25,729 --> 01:51:21,630
to inspire the police to go on look

2598
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:25,739
without checking it some major media ran

2599
01:51:35,930 --> 01:51:34,290
the story right well yeah shoddy shoddy

2600
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:35,940
journalism is shoddy

2601
01:51:39,890 --> 01:51:38,010
and a lot of it is economics nowadays

2602
01:51:42,380 --> 01:51:39,900
you know people are eager to try and get

2603
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:42,390
and and it's also some of you referred

2604
01:51:46,610 --> 01:51:44,730
to earlier at Eugene you said now I get

2605
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,620
news of events you know around the world

2606
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:49,199
minutes after it happens that means that

2607
01:51:54,860 --> 01:51:52,710
the media are also pressed to be urgent

2608
01:51:56,930 --> 01:51:54,870
with their material they can't wait a

2609
01:51:58,430 --> 01:51:56,940
day or two to check it they don't take

2610
01:52:01,070 --> 01:51:58,440
the risk that somebody else is gonna

2611
01:52:02,540 --> 01:52:01,080
beat them to the punch and so if they

2612
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:02,550
don't have them used to check it they

2613
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:05,040
might be tempted to run with it yeah and

2614
01:52:09,770 --> 01:52:07,170
that's that's a really good point and it

2615
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:09,780
also answers the next question I had

2616
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:12,170
from sentry who's one of our more recent

2617
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:15,090
forum members he said Chris ask Paul

2618
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:17,370
about how a single event can generate

2619
01:52:22,010 --> 01:52:19,679
vastly varying stories do the bias of

2620
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:22,020
the reporters the editorial policies of

2621
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,210
the publisher and sometimes a peculiar

2622
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:26,400
nature of the subjects personality one

2623
01:52:30,770 --> 01:52:29,010
aspect of this reporting of a story is

2624
01:52:33,229 --> 01:52:30,780
to package it to sell it to an audience

2625
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:33,239
but to commit be many other things in

2626
01:52:36,450 --> 01:52:34,330
play and I think you

2627
01:52:38,910 --> 01:52:36,460
just hit that you've just answered that

2628
01:52:40,620 --> 01:52:38,920
question perfectly there's one thing one

2629
01:52:42,540 --> 01:52:40,630
more thing to add to that if you see if

2630
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:42,550
you take six people who witness an

2631
01:52:46,590 --> 01:52:44,890
automobile accident you'll get six

2632
01:52:48,540 --> 01:52:46,600
different accounts of it right well they

2633
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:48,550
say eyewitness testimony is oftentimes

2634
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:50,770
the least reliable with the best will in

2635
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:52,570
the world people are people and they

2636
01:52:59,040 --> 01:52:54,970
don't recall accurately what they've

2637
01:53:02,370 --> 01:52:59,050
seen that's just a given and I don't

2638
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:02,380
believe that it might you know some

2639
01:53:06,060 --> 01:53:03,130
young moons

2640
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:06,070
you know moody newspaper there that that

2641
01:53:09,630 --> 01:53:07,330
might well have been just a propaganda

2642
01:53:12,060 --> 01:53:09,640
sheet but I don't believe by and large

2643
01:53:14,820 --> 01:53:12,070
you know that they're respectable papers

2644
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:14,830
they're reputable papers are out there

2645
01:53:18,420 --> 01:53:17,110
delivering a political message in their

2646
01:53:20,730 --> 01:53:18,430
news stories they've they've got their

2647
01:53:22,530 --> 01:53:20,740
editorial pages to do that well one

2648
01:53:24,450 --> 01:53:22,540
thing I worried about of course is this

2649
01:53:28,230 --> 01:53:24,460
if we can't figure out what happened

2650
01:53:30,780 --> 01:53:28,240
last week how do we rely on stories a

2651
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:30,790
hundred two hundred years ago our

2652
01:53:34,290 --> 01:53:32,770
history books how do we determine that's

2653
01:53:37,470 --> 01:53:34,300
accurate if we can't figure out what

2654
01:53:40,980 --> 01:53:37,480
happened yesterday in the next city good

2655
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:40,990
question mmm-hmm and actually you've

2656
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:42,400
just gone to that what this is not a

2657
01:53:45,660 --> 01:53:44,290
commercial plug but you've just gone to

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the heart or something I'm writing it I

2659
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:47,320
said I'm writing this third century

2660
01:53:53,730 --> 01:53:49,530
novel that's based on some true things

2661
01:53:55,650 --> 01:53:53,740
there were from 600 years there was no

2662
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history no written history and Britain

2663
01:54:00,060 --> 01:53:58,000
at that time from the third to about the

2664
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:00,070
eighth century they were just there was

2665
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,650
nothing written down and a fella called

2666
01:54:07,770 --> 01:54:04,960
Geoffrey of Monmouth him four hundred

2667
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:07,780
years after that started to write down

2668
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:10,090
his so-called history which is absolute

2669
01:54:17,130 --> 01:54:14,410
total bull he didn't he made it sort of

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like a lurid novel of the day so we get

2671
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all this in in in Jeffrey mamas stuff

2672
01:54:24,330 --> 01:54:23,170
we're getting our theory in history and

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a king after in the knights of the round

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table

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and they never existed as such there

2676
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might have been a primitive Kingdom but

2677
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that's because nothing was written down

2678
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it was not accurate at the time and

2679
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people made it up later and that's

2680
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that's human nature I'm afraid

2681
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what about of course oral history and

2682
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this is something that Chris and I have

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talked about please had guests here we

2684
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had one an Indian elder for a tribe

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the Zuni tribe and they of course

2686
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transfer their historical information

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verbally from father to son whatever

2688
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word for word word for word how can they

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do it and we can't do it you know it

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seems like they don't have yeah but you

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say it's word for word but how can you

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check that you know the whole story

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there about that the troops in the

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trenches and they passed the word down

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send for reinforcements we're going to

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advance by the time we get at the other

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Steinberg the kosis Chris O'Brien on the

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para cast so the question I raised of

2787
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course is as you say from person to

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person from ear to ear Steve Allen used

2789
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to do this kind of thing where he tell a

2790
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joke they have ten people on stage and

2791
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each person would relate the joke the

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next person and by the time they heard

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the tenth person the joke had no

2794
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resemblance whatever to the original it

2795
02:00:50,770 --> 02:00:48,920
may not have even been a joke so I raise

2796
02:00:53,950 --> 02:00:50,780
that question again Chris maybe you can

2797
02:00:56,169 --> 02:00:53,960
answer how come the Zuni elders transfer

2798
02:00:58,930 --> 02:00:56,179
that oral tradition if we can't figure

2799
02:01:00,610 --> 02:00:58,940
out how to tell a joke and have it

2800
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spread through ten people accurately

2801
02:01:08,650 --> 02:01:03,590
that's a really good point I think we do

2802
02:01:11,770 --> 02:01:08,660
have some models cross culturally that

2803
02:01:15,550 --> 02:01:11,780
that do indicate that there is a way to

2804
02:01:18,250 --> 02:01:15,560
do it accurately in a sacred ceremonial

2805
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:18,260
sense in other words if you put the fear

2806
02:01:23,709 --> 02:01:21,010
of the gods or the goddess or creator

2807
02:01:25,540 --> 02:01:23,719
into the process people tend to be a

2808
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:25,550
little bit more diligent about how

2809
02:01:29,709 --> 02:01:27,530
accurate they are that's one possible

2810
02:01:33,790 --> 02:01:29,719
answer the other possible answer is you

2811
02:01:36,250 --> 02:01:33,800
can't so you know that's that's really

2812
02:01:38,290 --> 02:01:36,260
important that's why having Paul on the

2813
02:01:40,870 --> 02:01:38,300
show talking about journalism talking

2814
02:01:43,450 --> 02:01:40,880
about how we relate important stories

2815
02:01:45,220 --> 02:01:43,460
especially in our realm the paranormal

2816
02:01:48,610 --> 02:01:45,230
UFOs these types of things that are

2817
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:48,620
still mysteries to the modern age how we

2818
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:52,070
relate these instances occurrences

2819
02:01:56,530 --> 02:01:54,560
reports events to each other is crucial

2820
02:01:59,890 --> 02:01:56,540
because what we're doing is we're we're

2821
02:02:01,479 --> 02:01:59,900
slowly creating you know modern mythos

2822
02:02:03,010 --> 02:02:01,489
and I think Jacques Vallee that's one of

2823
02:02:04,959 --> 02:02:03,020
the things that I most admire about the

2824
02:02:07,810 --> 02:02:04,969
man is he really

2825
02:02:10,180 --> 02:02:07,820
that early on in this particular realm

2826
02:02:13,330 --> 02:02:10,190
of the paranormal and UFOs he pegged it

2827
02:02:14,950 --> 02:02:13,340
perfectly it's not so much the event and

2828
02:02:17,020 --> 02:02:14,960
the person experienced in it

2829
02:02:19,029 --> 02:02:17,030
it's how that thing filters how that

2830
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:19,039
event in that experience filters into

2831
02:02:22,629 --> 02:02:20,690
the culture and this is really important

2832
02:02:24,459 --> 02:02:22,639
territory and it's a really good subject

2833
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:24,469
to explore further with Paul Paul you've

2834
02:02:28,479 --> 02:02:26,210
been in the driver's seat in the

2835
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:28,489
paranormal for the Inquirer you seven

2836
02:02:33,129 --> 02:02:30,650
years you know how do you how do you

2837
02:02:35,229 --> 02:02:33,139
reconcile that I mean I know you're a

2838
02:02:38,290 --> 02:02:35,239
good journalist and a good reporter and

2839
02:02:40,540 --> 02:02:38,300
you you were made every effort that you

2840
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:40,550
could to be as accurate as possible but

2841
02:02:44,770 --> 02:02:43,280
you're given a story to you know people

2842
02:02:46,899 --> 02:02:44,780
that are rewriting the story at the

2843
02:02:50,919 --> 02:02:46,909
Inquirer how accurate were they when

2844
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:50,929
when your information actually with my

2845
02:02:54,969 --> 02:02:52,249
information they're usually pretty good

2846
02:02:57,189 --> 02:02:54,979
I was in a happy situation in many ways

2847
02:03:00,430 --> 02:02:57,199
with the Enquirer because the stories I

2848
02:03:02,620 --> 02:03:00,440
was doing were not by and large not

2849
02:03:04,330 --> 02:03:02,630
celebrity stories they were stories

2850
02:03:07,270 --> 02:03:04,340
about the paranormal I do adventure

2851
02:03:09,339 --> 02:03:07,280
stories crime stories and so on and the

2852
02:03:12,700 --> 02:03:09,349
headlines for them the the lead sheet

2853
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:12,710
that the idea of the story wrote itself

2854
02:03:17,799 --> 02:03:15,530
before I started going if it was amazing

2855
02:03:20,250 --> 02:03:17,809
ghost attacks on on the house you see

2856
02:03:24,129 --> 02:03:20,260
then I'd go and I'd find out what it was

2857
02:03:26,350 --> 02:03:24,139
it didn't need to be precast but if you

2858
02:03:29,319 --> 02:03:26,360
know they were writing a story about you

2859
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:29,329
know Doris Day's last days they've had

2860
02:03:35,709 --> 02:03:33,170
probably eight and nine of those a lot

2861
02:03:37,089 --> 02:03:35,719
of about Jackie she keeps dying you know

2862
02:03:39,549 --> 02:03:37,099
they say look you know it story's

2863
02:03:41,410 --> 02:03:39,559
flaccid Doris is last days let's you

2864
02:03:44,709 --> 02:03:41,420
know investigate her terrible tragic

2865
02:03:46,509 --> 02:03:44,719
story then somebody's less saddled with

2866
02:03:48,489 --> 02:03:46,519
the responsibility of making them into

2867
02:03:50,500 --> 02:03:48,499
her last days even if they're not for me

2868
02:03:53,049 --> 02:03:50,510
it's a ghost story I go and get a ghost

2869
02:03:54,850 --> 02:03:53,059
story and come back with it and it's

2870
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:54,860
what's there that's that's really and

2871
02:03:59,680 --> 02:03:56,690
get somebody's face real that's the

2872
02:04:02,049 --> 02:03:59,690
other thing they're saying what's real

2873
02:04:04,149 --> 02:04:02,059
earlier on we said if you've seen

2874
02:04:06,549 --> 02:04:04,159
something it's much more convincing to

2875
02:04:07,899 --> 02:04:06,559
you because you've seen it yourself and

2876
02:04:09,370 --> 02:04:07,909
you trust your own eyes somebody else

2877
02:04:10,959 --> 02:04:09,380
reports that it's not too convincing

2878
02:04:13,989 --> 02:04:10,969
here's here's the thing that really

2879
02:04:16,899 --> 02:04:13,999
happened to me and I can't explain it

2880
02:04:18,940 --> 02:04:16,909
but maybe you can it's down in Sao Paulo

2881
02:04:22,540 --> 02:04:18,950
I was doing some stories down there

2882
02:04:25,030 --> 02:04:22,550
in Brazil and I heard about a nearby

2883
02:04:27,340 --> 02:04:25,040
town called Mogi das Cruzes where a

2884
02:04:29,890 --> 02:04:27,350
family had been under some kind of

2885
02:04:32,380 --> 02:04:29,900
demonic attack I don't speak any

2886
02:04:34,810 --> 02:04:32,390
Portuguese and so I had an interpreter

2887
02:04:36,850 --> 02:04:34,820
with me and we went along and we

2888
02:04:40,180 --> 02:04:36,860
interviewed the police chief he said

2889
02:04:42,580 --> 02:04:40,190
he'd seen he'd been to this house and he

2890
02:04:45,130 --> 02:04:42,590
believed that somebody had to hide which

2891
02:04:47,590 --> 02:04:45,140
dr. McComb Vera to put a hex on the

2892
02:04:50,620 --> 02:04:47,600
family and he'd been to the house when a

2893
02:04:52,660 --> 02:04:50,630
bare plaster wall seemed to be burning

2894
02:04:54,580 --> 02:04:52,670
up in flames and he realized there's no

2895
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:54,590
heat he put a banknote in among the

2896
02:04:59,320 --> 02:04:56,960
flames and it didn't burn it and there's

2897
02:05:01,720 --> 02:04:59,330
no heat on his hand mr. police chief I

2898
02:05:03,310 --> 02:05:01,730
mean a man just dripping with weaponry

2899
02:05:06,070 --> 02:05:03,320
and badges and things and you know

2900
02:05:09,610 --> 02:05:06,080
totally believed him so I go along and

2901
02:05:11,530 --> 02:05:09,620
the family that rented another macumba

2902
02:05:13,660 --> 02:05:11,540
to take the hex off and it seemed to

2903
02:05:15,130 --> 02:05:13,670
have worked after a day or two but the

2904
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:15,140
first day I was there I'm standing about

2905
02:05:21,070 --> 02:05:17,450
five or six feet from this green plastic

2906
02:05:23,770 --> 02:05:21,080
sofa and the back split open in three

2907
02:05:27,490 --> 02:05:23,780
parallel lines as if somebody called it

2908
02:05:28,620 --> 02:05:27,500
open it was right next to me I mean just

2909
02:05:31,060 --> 02:05:28,630
four feet away

2910
02:05:33,370 --> 02:05:31,070
nobody was between me and then I totally

2911
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:33,380
didn't do it there was no way to I was

2912
02:05:37,780 --> 02:05:35,210
kind of impressed anyway things were

2913
02:05:39,810 --> 02:05:37,790
going on there then it stopped when they

2914
02:05:42,490 --> 02:05:39,820
brought in this other witch doctor so

2915
02:05:43,930 --> 02:05:42,500
the interpreter said to me look we

2916
02:05:46,180 --> 02:05:43,940
should interview the witch doctor took

2917
02:05:48,100 --> 02:05:46,190
the hex off and I said well that's not

2918
02:05:50,890 --> 02:05:48,110
going to add any credibility to my story

2919
02:05:51,310 --> 02:05:50,900
I'm tired I'm thirsty let's get out of

2920
02:05:53,350 --> 02:05:51,320
here

2921
02:05:55,630 --> 02:05:53,360
I want a scientist to say it's really

2922
02:05:58,510 --> 02:05:55,640
happened not some guy with bones and

2923
02:06:00,670 --> 02:05:58,520
feathers in him you know and the next

2924
02:06:02,260 --> 02:06:00,680
part of the story just runs on how we

2925
02:06:03,550 --> 02:06:02,270
doing before we go to a break on this

2926
02:06:05,860 --> 02:06:03,560
because I've got another couple of

2927
02:06:08,170 --> 02:06:05,870
minutes with him okay right now we have

2928
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:08,180
about two minutes okay good so that

2929
02:06:12,490 --> 02:06:10,010
night I had my dinner in Sao Paulo I'm

2930
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having a chicken pot pie and I crunch on

2931
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something is a piece of glass like a

2932
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cube of glasses that come out of a

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windshield so I call a maitre d over I

2934
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said that I'm indignant he said we

2935
02:06:22,270 --> 02:06:20,660
didn't make him the price I'm terribly

2936
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sorry dinners on us it's nighttime in

2937
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Rio I'm coming to fly home to I'm

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overnighting in Rio go in the hotel bar

2939
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of a mixed drink piece of glass in among

2940
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the ice the glasses and chips barman

2941
02:06:34,299 --> 02:06:32,780
shows me this rubber thing that

2942
02:06:36,250 --> 02:06:34,309
well it couldn't have done it sorry

2943
02:06:38,500 --> 02:06:36,260
about that free drinks pop it up I go

2944
02:06:40,180 --> 02:06:38,510
home I'm back in South Florida the next

2945
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:40,190
night and I went to the fridge I did

2946
02:06:43,660 --> 02:06:41,210
something unusual

2947
02:06:45,430 --> 02:06:43,670
I opened a can of coke don't know we

2948
02:06:47,500 --> 02:06:45,440
drink coke I did kids with regular and I

2949
02:06:49,629 --> 02:06:47,510
poured it into a glass and I was a

2950
02:06:52,930 --> 02:06:49,639
tinkle and a cube of glass in there

2951
02:06:56,049 --> 02:06:52,940
three nights 24-hour cycle three cubes

2952
02:06:58,540 --> 02:06:56,059
of glass and two continents and I said I

2953
02:07:00,279 --> 02:06:58,550
don't know what this is but I guess that

2954
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:00,289
witch doctor sent me a message he didn't

2955
02:07:03,729 --> 02:07:01,730
frighten me didn't hurt me

2956
02:07:06,279 --> 02:07:03,739
but I guess he sent me a message and

2957
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said be respectful that's the only

2958
02:07:09,790 --> 02:07:09,139
explanation I've got for that I no other

2959
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explanation

2960
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:11,989
and that happened sounds like you picked

2961
02:07:18,939 --> 02:07:17,030
up a program hitchhiker I never bother

2962
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,949
since oh he he just said I'm gonna send

2963
02:07:22,959 --> 02:07:20,480
this guy a message three bits of glass

2964
02:07:25,629 --> 02:07:22,969
and would you like came out of a sealed

2965
02:07:27,549 --> 02:07:25,639
can of coke I can't believe that did

2966
02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:27,559
your wife make you go outside and rewire

2967
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:30,710
your shoes before he came in did she try

2968
02:07:36,490 --> 02:07:34,400
to smudge you with some sage or we're

2969
02:07:37,540 --> 02:07:36,500
gonna we're gonna shift gears here I'm

2970
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:37,550
sure you're gonna love this question

2971
02:07:43,299 --> 02:07:39,770
this comes from pong who's a longtime

2972
02:07:45,220 --> 02:07:43,309
poster on our forum mr. Bannister please

2973
02:07:47,319 --> 02:07:45,230
tell us some naughty things about the

2974
02:07:49,629 --> 02:07:47,329
British royal family things we aren't

2975
02:07:51,879 --> 02:07:49,639
supposed to know do the Royals attend

2976
02:07:54,279 --> 02:07:51,889
the Bilderberg meetings and the darkest

2977
02:07:56,049 --> 02:07:54,289
question of all was Princess Diana

2978
02:08:03,430 --> 02:07:56,059
murdered if so by whom and for what

2979
02:08:05,140 --> 02:08:03,440
reason and also we have about 30 seconds

2980
02:08:06,939 --> 02:08:05,150
left for this segment to start the

2981
02:08:08,109 --> 02:08:06,949
answer we'll pick it up on the next one

2982
02:08:11,049 --> 02:08:08,119
okay

2983
02:08:12,959 --> 02:08:11,059
well die being murdered that's there's a

2984
02:08:15,490 --> 02:08:12,969
lot of thought about that in Britain and

2985
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:15,500
nobody's yet resolved it no he's proved

2986
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:18,170
anything the only thing that's known is

2987
02:08:25,419 --> 02:08:23,119
that she certainly is dead there's a lot

2988
02:08:27,970 --> 02:08:25,429
of politics about that and about the

2989
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possibility that she was pregnant with

2990
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yeah with an heir to the throne the

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moment well Bannister joins some Jean

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3082
02:13:31,989 --> 02:13:28,579
one of our forum members about Princess

3083
02:13:33,279 --> 02:13:31,999
Diana about the rumors about her death a

3084
02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:33,289
conspiracy

3085
02:13:38,290 --> 02:13:36,169
whatever and you mentioned that it was

3086
02:13:39,939 --> 02:13:38,300
thought she might be pregnant of course

3087
02:13:42,489 --> 02:13:39,949
they could have determined that with an

3088
02:13:44,290 --> 02:13:42,499
autopsy but we kind of think that

3089
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:44,300
information would be kept secret right

3090
02:13:50,649 --> 02:13:48,320
absolutely absolutely it's remarkable to

3091
02:13:52,599 --> 02:13:50,659
know what governments can keep secret

3092
02:13:54,939 --> 02:13:52,609
and what is politic to know what is it

3093
02:13:56,649 --> 02:13:54,949
politic to know but I think the Royals

3094
02:13:58,869 --> 02:13:56,659
would not have been happy to have had an

3095
02:14:00,879 --> 02:13:58,879
Arab grandson and that would have been

3096
02:14:02,919 --> 02:14:00,889
the case if she were pregnant I think

3097
02:14:04,989 --> 02:14:02,929
they would not have been happy even if

3098
02:14:06,969 --> 02:14:04,999
she were not pregnant if she'd gone

3099
02:14:10,509 --> 02:14:06,979
ahead and married I'll fired they would

3100
02:14:13,599 --> 02:14:10,519
not have wanted the one-time wife of the

3101
02:14:16,149 --> 02:14:13,609
heir to the throne to be to be married

3102
02:14:18,009 --> 02:14:16,159
to a look how traditional but they were

3103
02:14:20,049 --> 02:14:18,019
about choosing her she had to be white

3104
02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:20,059
she had to have an aristocratic

3105
02:14:25,929 --> 02:14:23,570
background she has to be a virgin it was

3106
02:14:28,839 --> 02:14:25,939
just ludicrous it is so many evil it's

3107
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not true and to have her marrying

3108
02:14:34,060 --> 02:14:31,879
somebody else later would not have

3109
02:14:35,529 --> 02:14:34,070
fitted us but something unsuitable would

3110
02:14:38,379 --> 02:14:35,539
not have fitted with the Royals idea of

3111
02:14:41,379 --> 02:14:38,389
propriety so there's a lot of a lot of

3112
02:14:43,449 --> 02:14:41,389
thoughts still that she was pounded down

3113
02:14:45,009 --> 02:14:43,459
I mean on RuPaul you know we'll

3114
02:14:47,139 --> 02:14:45,019
certainly had been drinking he wasn't

3115
02:14:51,250 --> 02:14:47,149
supposed to be the driver did this

3116
02:14:53,619 --> 02:14:51,260
British Secret Service you know insert

3117
02:14:55,629 --> 02:14:53,629
him were they looking for the chance was

3118
02:14:57,279 --> 02:14:55,639
it choreographed a lot of people believe

3119
02:14:59,229 --> 02:14:57,289
it was and I don't think we'll ever

3120
02:15:01,949 --> 02:14:59,239
really know not until the 50-year rules

3121
02:15:05,290 --> 02:15:01,959
up and and relevant Official Secrets

3122
02:15:08,529 --> 02:15:05,300
well are the Royals up to no good or are

3123
02:15:10,599 --> 02:15:08,539
they just not know they just leeches on

3124
02:15:12,219 --> 02:15:10,609
the public purse you know there's a

3125
02:15:15,370 --> 02:15:12,229
handful of them that do a good job but

3126
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:15,380
the clan is so huge and his prints

3127
02:15:20,050 --> 02:15:17,840
you know rabbiting on about leaving a

3128
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:20,060
tiny carbon footprint and he's flying

3129
02:15:25,510 --> 02:15:22,610
around the world with a staff of 26 to

3130
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do it he's got six or seven palaces and

3131
02:15:29,110 --> 02:15:27,680
he's preaching to the rest of the world

3132
02:15:32,020 --> 02:15:29,120
to make do with less

3133
02:15:33,340 --> 02:15:32,030
I mean absolute stupid hypocrite even

3134
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though he did once share a sardine with

3135
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me tell us about him well sorry I'm not

3136
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a hearing or a mackerel sardines are

3137
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Dean on a stripper coast the size of

3138
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your little finger I was sent to as the

3139
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royal rotor reporter when the Royals go

3140
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:48,470
somewhere they don't always have an

3141
02:15:52,120 --> 02:15:50,090
entourage of reporters if it's a

3142
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difficult place to get to and he was

3143
02:15:58,060 --> 02:15:54,500
going to an oil rig in the North Sea so

3144
02:15:59,950 --> 02:15:58,070
my papers sent me to report for all the

3145
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newspapers you see instead of shipping

3146
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:02,360
out 25 reports they send out one idiot

3147
02:16:05,740 --> 02:16:04,490
and so you were in I've ended yeah I

3148
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think that helped the helicopter would

3149
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crash while I was out there so anyway I

3150
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went out there and he flew in in his

3151
02:16:16,180 --> 02:16:13,580
helicopter and Bob it up about did his

3152
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thing I knocked out a story I called it

3153
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in and it was early afternoon I was

3154
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starving hungry and I ran up to the

3155
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wardroom where he was standing with

3156
02:16:28,750 --> 02:16:26,330
these BP directors and there's a steward

3157
02:16:31,090 --> 02:16:28,760
going around you know handing out plates

3158
02:16:35,470 --> 02:16:31,100
of canapes and things and so I show into

3159
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:35,480
the circle next to HRH and I see that

3160
02:16:39,640 --> 02:16:37,010
the steward had put his plate down on

3161
02:16:42,041 --> 02:16:39,650
the table behind us and it had one strip

3162
02:16:43,930 --> 02:16:42,051
of toast of the sardine on it so I shift

3163
02:16:46,450 --> 02:16:43,940
my glass to my other hand and put my

3164
02:16:48,460 --> 02:16:46,460
hand back there to get it as I'm

3165
02:16:52,121 --> 02:16:48,470
stealthily removing it

3166
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:52,131
it took back out and he and I look and

3167
02:16:56,530 --> 02:16:53,690
Prince Charles is on the other end of it

3168
02:16:58,121 --> 02:16:56,540
he's doing the same thing you know so I

3169
02:16:59,860 --> 02:16:58,131
let go once I thought well you know if I

3170
02:17:02,170 --> 02:16:59,870
don't let go I might end up beheaded or

3171
02:17:04,690 --> 02:17:02,180
in the Tower of London or something and

3172
02:17:05,670 --> 02:17:04,700
he says no no no old boy said we'll

3173
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:05,680
share it

3174
02:17:13,510 --> 02:17:08,450
that's all this sardine and bit of toast

3175
02:17:15,940 --> 02:17:13,520
into two we each ate a half and I I'm

3176
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sure those BP directors they just want

3177
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:17,660
to just throw me off the oil rig right

3178
02:17:29,049 --> 02:17:26,690
there and then leave one of my touches

3179
02:17:33,729 --> 02:17:29,059
with royalties shared a sardine well

3180
02:17:34,899 --> 02:17:33,739
he is the Prince of Wales yeah so at

3181
02:17:37,479 --> 02:17:34,909
least I could have had some blubber on

3182
02:17:42,129 --> 02:17:37,489
board or something oh yeah right any

3183
02:17:45,580 --> 02:17:42,139
story well here's a actually a very good

3184
02:17:48,089 --> 02:17:45,590
question and I'm gonna combine actually

3185
02:17:52,599 --> 02:17:48,099
two posters questions into one and

3186
02:17:55,120 --> 02:17:52,609
basically the ufology who is a member

3187
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:55,130
for a year and century who is a new

3188
02:17:59,500 --> 02:17:57,679
member are wondering if there's any way

3189
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:59,510
that we can differentiate from the

3190
02:18:04,620 --> 02:18:00,800
mainstream media

3191
02:18:07,209 --> 02:18:04,630
what is baloney and what is real and

3192
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:07,219
century says I'm guessing that how we

3193
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:09,170
would do that starts with anonymous or

3194
02:18:15,309 --> 02:18:12,800
unnamed sources give us some insight

3195
02:18:18,009 --> 02:18:15,319
kind of scoop on how we can look at a

3196
02:18:20,349 --> 02:18:18,019
just you know a normal mainstream news

3197
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,359
story and determine whether it's been

3198
02:18:24,339 --> 02:18:22,399
tabloid eyes door whether we're looking

3199
02:18:25,750 --> 02:18:24,349
at something that's that's totally

3200
02:18:28,509 --> 02:18:25,760
accurate is there any way to

3201
02:18:29,919 --> 02:18:28,519
differentiate between the two on the

3202
02:18:31,839 --> 02:18:29,929
face of it you say it's difficult but

3203
02:18:34,089 --> 02:18:31,849
first of all you apply your own common

3204
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:34,099
sense I mean whatever the story is you

3205
02:18:39,759 --> 02:18:37,519
know if if the story is you know a

3206
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:39,769
weekly world news story that you know

3207
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:42,170
that Hillary Clinton is pregnant by a

3208
02:18:47,049 --> 02:18:44,719
space alien it's probably is going to

3209
02:18:51,399 --> 02:18:47,059
have Bigfoot as a running man I think

3210
02:18:53,139 --> 02:18:51,409
was an Enquirer yeah the the actually

3211
02:18:55,569 --> 02:18:53,149
one of the things quickly to say is that

3212
02:18:59,500 --> 02:18:55,579
the Enquirer never carried those stories

3213
02:19:01,389 --> 02:18:59,510
the weekly world views did it that was a

3214
02:19:03,759 --> 02:19:01,399
college paper that was you know his

3215
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:03,769
paper aimed at college students and they

3216
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:05,689
ran in a batboy and all those made-up

3217
02:19:10,330 --> 02:19:07,609
stories of stuff about three people

3218
02:19:12,669 --> 02:19:10,340
invented those and did a wonderful job

3219
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:12,679
wonderful job very funny very it was it

3220
02:19:16,299 --> 02:19:14,569
was an early version of the onion you

3221
02:19:19,330 --> 02:19:16,309
know who the onion you know and but

3222
02:19:22,870 --> 02:19:19,340
what's bolonia what's real well often

3223
02:19:24,969 --> 02:19:22,880
you you have to run an unnamed source

3224
02:19:27,219 --> 02:19:24,979
because it's somebody whose tipster is

3225
02:19:28,839 --> 02:19:27,229
tell it'll whistleblower perhaps who's

3226
02:19:32,859 --> 02:19:28,849
telling you something that his boss

3227
02:19:35,889 --> 02:19:32,869
doesn't want known and your editor knows

3228
02:19:39,719 --> 02:19:35,899
if it's real and you know you've got to

3229
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:39,729
name that source to your own your own

3230
02:19:42,890 --> 02:19:42,170
organization but of course you can't

3231
02:19:45,500 --> 02:19:42,900
print the name

3232
02:19:47,590 --> 02:19:45,510
partly because a you'd burn him and B

3233
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:47,600
he'd never get anything from him again

3234
02:19:54,341 --> 02:19:50,160
so I guess it's really down to your own

3235
02:19:56,660 --> 02:19:54,351
common sense is this something that a

3236
02:20:00,020 --> 02:19:56,670
government agency would not want know

3237
02:20:01,671 --> 02:20:00,030
for what reason if it's something that

3238
02:20:03,261 --> 02:20:01,681
you'd say well I can't see why they

3239
02:20:04,551 --> 02:20:03,271
wouldn't want that no so why can't they

3240
02:20:06,501 --> 02:20:04,561
name the guy then you've got to look at

3241
02:20:08,331 --> 02:20:06,511
it with some suspicion but by and large

3242
02:20:10,100 --> 02:20:08,341
are the reputable newspapers you know

3243
02:20:13,160 --> 02:20:10,110
were Tory the LA Times New York Times

3244
02:20:15,501 --> 02:20:13,170
Chicago trib whatever the CNN they're

3245
02:20:19,430 --> 02:20:15,511
not going to carry an unnamed source

3246
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:19,440
without good reason I think you know you

3247
02:20:23,001 --> 02:20:21,450
can still trust those people well enough

3248
02:20:24,770 --> 02:20:23,011
I mean some people don't say well I

3249
02:20:27,950 --> 02:20:24,780
don't trust that paper because it's got

3250
02:20:30,140 --> 02:20:27,960
the opposite political hue to mine but

3251
02:20:32,631 --> 02:20:30,150
it still is not in the papers interest

3252
02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:32,641
in the long term right there's standards

3253
02:20:36,890 --> 02:20:34,410
of journalism that you have to adhere to

3254
02:20:39,350 --> 02:20:36,900
yeah you can't invent too many people

3255
02:20:42,261 --> 02:20:39,360
can become an instant reporter on the

3256
02:20:44,301 --> 02:20:42,271
internet now and we all get those spam

3257
02:20:45,831 --> 02:20:44,311
things or the stupid little stories

3258
02:20:47,751 --> 02:20:45,841
about you know how it's raining cats and

3259
02:20:49,671 --> 02:20:47,761
dogs because in the Middle Ages people

3260
02:20:50,480 --> 02:20:49,681
have other cats in the fetch of the roof

3261
02:20:53,631 --> 02:20:50,490
you know and Oh

3262
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:53,641
give me a break you you know that these

3263
02:20:58,041 --> 02:20:55,530
things are just made up by some

3264
02:21:02,091 --> 02:20:58,051
fifteen-year-old somewhere who who wants

3265
02:21:04,820 --> 02:21:02,101
to cause confusion gonna worry about

3266
02:21:06,530 --> 02:21:04,830
them 15 year olds right they should

3267
02:21:08,450 --> 02:21:06,540
probably get that 15 year old to to be

3268
02:21:10,220 --> 02:21:08,460
the scriptwriter for that you're you

3269
02:21:12,530 --> 02:21:10,230
know new reality show that's coming out

3270
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:12,540
next week yes right that's right

3271
02:21:15,890 --> 02:21:14,610
actually you know you see these reality

3272
02:21:17,751 --> 02:21:15,900
shows I can tell you some about those

3273
02:21:20,930 --> 02:21:17,761
because I did work on things like

3274
02:21:22,970 --> 02:21:20,940
survivor they're scripted they're

3275
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:22,980
scripted and edited like you wouldn't

3276
02:21:29,320 --> 02:21:23,370
believe

3277
02:21:31,730 --> 02:21:29,330
oh yeah don't even roles to play yeah

3278
02:21:32,961 --> 02:21:31,740
but they're given a role to play you're

3279
02:21:35,140 --> 02:21:32,971
gonna be a hero you're gonna be the vamp

3280
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you're gonna be you're gonna be a

3281
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it's not like wrestling it's are like

3282
02:21:43,371 --> 02:21:41,700
professional wrestling is interesting

3283
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that some professional wrestlers come

3284
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out to be pretty decent actors like the

3285
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rock I think the rock is a perfectly

3286
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presentable charismatic actor or a

3287
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fairly decent politician we had of

3288
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course Jesse Ventura on the show and

3289
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quite impressed with his he's very

3290
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down-to-earth and and very objective

3291
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sober view of conspiracy theories which

3292
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is something he's very interested in

3293
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yeah

3294
02:22:11,740 --> 02:22:09,181
and he's been in a position to see some

3295
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of those inside inside materials that

3296
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but don't get exposed pop you've got to

3297
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remember that the public that's me and

3298
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you we don't get to see what the

3299
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policymakers are actually seeing now

3300
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we're seeing the spin but right now

3301
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we're going to talk about this if you're

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listening to Paul Bannister on the para

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Cass with Jean and Chris and always and

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this is our final segment with Paul

3404
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Bannister the book is tabloid man

3405
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talking about conspiracy theories the

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figures his experiences working with the

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co-host on gene Steinberg Chris are

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there any more questions left unanswered

3411
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there aren't but I have one for you Paul

3412
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let's say I'm a para cast listener out

3413
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there I've got some talent I'm you know

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got away with words I'm a wordsmith I

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want to get involved in journalism would

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you encourage me would you tell me to

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like start my own blog what sort of

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advice do you have to up-and-coming

3419
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writers with talent that want to get

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involved in the paranormal subjects that

3421
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we discuss here on this show how would

3422
02:28:01,210 --> 02:27:57,620
you advise them to get involved and and

3423
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gain some legitimacy and and and hone

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their craft I mean what advice do you

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have for us well you just said it right

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there didn't you said blog he said that

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word and that's probably the way it's

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going print journalism is dying he's

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dying on its feet is dying because

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people are not buying print and the

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matrix the paradigm here is that is not

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the New York Times for instance sold its

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building and released a couple of floors

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back so they can continue to work there

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the sound Cisco Chronicle is losing a

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million dollars a week apparently the LA

3437
02:28:40,719 --> 02:28:38,060
Times in depth at all the prints the

3438
02:28:43,179 --> 02:28:40,729
major print outlets are in difficulty

3439
02:28:45,820 --> 02:28:43,189
and it's for a reason and and if you go

3440
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:45,830
and look at the you know on the magazine

3441
02:28:52,030 --> 02:28:49,520
shelves you'll see masses of magazines

3442
02:28:54,660 --> 02:28:52,040
and their subspecialty magazines it's

3443
02:28:57,880 --> 02:28:54,670
not just guns and ammo now it's down to

3444
02:29:00,550 --> 02:28:57,890
small handguns with pearl handles you

3445
02:29:02,830 --> 02:29:00,560
know and they're probably run by a staff

3446
02:29:05,050 --> 02:29:02,840
of three people I mean I know of

3447
02:29:07,750 --> 02:29:05,060
magazines in London where the same crew

3448
02:29:09,219 --> 02:29:07,760
have worked on probably five magazines

3449
02:29:12,460 --> 02:29:09,229
in as many years

3450
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:12,470
they start one up it runs for a few

3451
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:14,810
months and novelty sustains it it

3452
02:29:20,139 --> 02:29:17,930
circulation starts to fail they fold it

3453
02:29:22,510 --> 02:29:20,149
they think of a new title and they start

3454
02:29:24,760 --> 02:29:22,520
another one up you know parenthetically

3455
02:29:26,609 --> 02:29:24,770
here Paul in this country we used to

3456
02:29:29,170 --> 02:29:26,619
have a lot of these small publishers of

3457
02:29:31,210 --> 02:29:29,180
newsstand magazines and the way they

3458
02:29:33,309 --> 02:29:31,220
survived would be the advance they get

3459
02:29:35,380 --> 02:29:33,319
in advance from the distributor you get

3460
02:29:37,689 --> 02:29:35,390
so much based on the potential sales a

3461
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:37,699
proportion of of the book as they called

3462
02:29:41,500 --> 02:29:40,010
it so of course they would put out as

3463
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:41,510
many books as possible to get all those

3464
02:29:47,559 --> 02:29:44,720
advances and then of course if some

3465
02:29:49,120 --> 02:29:47,569
didn't earn out their advance they'd cut

3466
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:49,130
them out and bring out others now of

3467
02:29:52,870 --> 02:29:50,090
course you can't do that

3468
02:29:55,660 --> 02:29:52,880
no but now you do have you do have the

3469
02:29:58,300 --> 02:29:55,670
ability to self publish or you've got

3470
02:30:00,880 --> 02:29:58,310
the web you can start blogs on the web I

3471
02:30:03,069 --> 02:30:00,890
mean I run a blog on on on banister

3472
02:30:04,689 --> 02:30:03,079
books and it's nothing to do with the

3473
02:30:07,149 --> 02:30:04,699
book it's just there to attract people

3474
02:30:11,649 --> 02:30:07,159
I'm running old stories I'm running a

3475
02:30:13,239 --> 02:30:11,659
weekly epistle simples epistle which I

3476
02:30:16,149 --> 02:30:13,249
sent of my friends that I started to

3477
02:30:19,269 --> 02:30:16,159
publish it you see this actually is the

3478
02:30:21,670 --> 02:30:19,279
lazy man's way of doing it Jean I get my

3479
02:30:23,620 --> 02:30:21,680
friends to write back and then I just

3480
02:30:25,300 --> 02:30:23,630
cut and paste their material stick it in

3481
02:30:27,519 --> 02:30:25,310
and put a bit of my own a bit of spin of

3482
02:30:30,729 --> 02:30:27,529
my own you can take notes take notes

3483
02:30:33,519 --> 02:30:30,739
yeah and it works people people like the

3484
02:30:36,609 --> 02:30:33,529
blog they read the blog so I would guess

3485
02:30:39,219 --> 02:30:36,619
this is a time of night and fog in in

3486
02:30:40,540 --> 02:30:39,229
newspapers and magazines they don't know

3487
02:30:43,929 --> 02:30:40,550
where they're going and they don't know

3488
02:30:46,510 --> 02:30:43,939
what obstacles are in the way but the

3489
02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:46,520
Internet is here to stay so if you're a

3490
02:30:50,580 --> 02:30:48,409
successful blogger and you have an

3491
02:30:54,010 --> 02:30:50,590
interest in a particular field say you

3492
02:30:55,750 --> 02:30:54,020
you know you might be an outdoorsman or

3493
02:30:57,120 --> 02:30:55,760
something like that and you might say

3494
02:30:59,769 --> 02:30:57,130
well I'm going to run a blog about

3495
02:31:03,519 --> 02:30:59,779
outdoors and in the Michigan Peninsula

3496
02:31:05,979 --> 02:31:03,529
you know and build your build a

3497
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:05,989
readership that way right so fine find a

3498
02:31:11,410 --> 02:31:08,890
target market and really go for it

3499
02:31:13,330 --> 02:31:11,420
exploit exploit what you know do what

3500
02:31:15,479 --> 02:31:13,340
you know and do what you like to do

3501
02:31:18,519 --> 02:31:15,489
because that way you'll keep doing it

3502
02:31:20,690 --> 02:31:18,529
it'll come across fresh and exciting and

3503
02:31:23,150 --> 02:31:20,700
people will respond to it

3504
02:31:24,290 --> 02:31:23,160
with it the authentic shows up people

3505
02:31:27,080 --> 02:31:24,300
know what's fake

3506
02:31:29,390 --> 02:31:27,090
they really do should I'm saying you can

3507
02:31:31,490 --> 02:31:29,400
tell whether story is real even if there

3508
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:31,500
is an unnamed source in it you can

3509
02:31:36,020 --> 02:31:33,210
usually have a good sense of what it is

3510
02:31:37,480 --> 02:31:36,030
if it's too good to be true you know the

3511
02:31:40,700 --> 02:31:37,490
truth is amiss

3512
02:31:43,850 --> 02:31:40,710
well I think sage sage words of advice

3513
02:31:45,440 --> 02:31:43,860
and for all you aspiring investigative

3514
02:31:48,650 --> 02:31:45,450
journalists out there especially in the

3515
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:48,660
realm of the paranormal you know create

3516
02:31:52,551 --> 02:31:50,970
create a new way to do it I think we're

3517
02:31:53,360 --> 02:31:52,561
right at a point now where at the

3518
02:31:55,341 --> 02:31:53,370
quincunx

3519
02:31:58,730 --> 02:31:55,351
I think would be the word of how

3520
02:32:03,500 --> 02:31:58,740
journalism in how writing is going to

3521
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:03,510
shift from the old paradigm of media

3522
02:32:09,890 --> 02:32:07,050
into this wonderful wild wacky world of

3523
02:32:11,450 --> 02:32:09,900
the internet and the blogosphere and you

3524
02:32:14,150 --> 02:32:11,460
know I think we're seeing a lot of

3525
02:32:16,400 --> 02:32:14,160
impact especially in the political realm

3526
02:32:18,710 --> 02:32:16,410
of the blog's I think a lot of

3527
02:32:20,750 --> 02:32:18,720
politicians are running scared right now

3528
02:32:23,360 --> 02:32:20,760
when it comes to having to deal with

3529
02:32:25,131 --> 02:32:23,370
some of the more vocal bloggers out

3530
02:32:26,780 --> 02:32:25,141
there how do you how do you how do you

3531
02:32:28,551 --> 02:32:26,790
wade through there how do you wade

3532
02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:28,561
through what I know yeah while you're

3533
02:32:32,421 --> 02:32:30,090
talking the thought just occurred to me

3534
02:32:34,190 --> 02:32:32,431
there's a perfect example for to answer

3535
02:32:36,530 --> 02:32:34,200
this question there's a fella called

3536
02:32:38,600 --> 02:32:36,540
Nick Redfern he's he's North he's

3537
02:32:40,100 --> 02:32:38,610
written he's a Brit actually yeah but

3538
02:32:41,750 --> 02:32:40,110
he's a friend of art he's actually our

3539
02:32:44,301 --> 02:32:41,760
guest co-host when Chris isn't available

3540
02:32:47,060 --> 02:32:44,311
I have Nick so he's on several times a

3541
02:32:48,980 --> 02:32:47,070
year excellent so he's he's a perfect

3542
02:32:52,040 --> 02:32:48,990
example he's a man who's written he's

3543
02:32:54,820 --> 02:32:52,050
found an area he writes well about it he

3544
02:32:57,921 --> 02:32:54,830
blogs about it and he's created his own

3545
02:32:59,960 --> 02:32:57,931
newspaper as it were now what Nick also

3546
02:33:02,091 --> 02:32:59,970
does is he links it to things like the

3547
02:33:03,770 --> 02:33:02,101
anomalous t' so which is a wonderful

3548
02:33:05,750 --> 02:33:03,780
that you know thee and almost occurs a

3549
02:33:07,761 --> 02:33:05,760
wonderful day we saw when the first

3550
02:33:10,970 --> 02:33:07,771
things I read every morning and as you

3551
02:33:12,530 --> 02:33:10,980
say they're getting notice of events

3552
02:33:15,320 --> 02:33:12,540
paranormal events around the world

3553
02:33:18,100 --> 02:33:15,330
within minutes these are these are two

3554
02:33:22,970 --> 02:33:18,110
outlets who carnist the internet and

3555
02:33:25,430 --> 02:33:22,980
successfully done it to in a devolved

3556
02:33:27,230 --> 02:33:25,440
you don't see anything on the anomalous

3557
02:33:29,450 --> 02:33:27,240
that isn't worth going and checking out

3558
02:33:32,870 --> 02:33:29,460
I have never gone to a story that they

3559
02:33:37,400 --> 02:33:32,880
link to that interested me that I was

3560
02:33:40,460 --> 02:33:37,410
let down by really does a good job that

3561
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:40,470
way and you see across the spectrum of

3562
02:33:46,280 --> 02:33:42,570
stories as well they don't carry stories

3563
02:33:48,440 --> 02:33:46,290
they carry links and it's I mean no I

3564
02:33:51,440 --> 02:33:48,450
think it's a wonderful but it's an

3565
02:33:54,110 --> 02:33:51,450
example of how journalism is evolved and

3566
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:54,120
has to evolve it has to go that way you

3567
02:33:57,740 --> 02:33:56,160
know it's not the smartest or the

3568
02:34:00,470 --> 02:33:57,750
strongest it's the one who changes

3569
02:34:02,060 --> 02:34:00,480
quickest who survives well I'm just

3570
02:34:04,190 --> 02:34:02,070
waiting for Kindle to come out with a

3571
02:34:07,160 --> 02:34:04,200
little sensor that as soon as you

3572
02:34:09,530 --> 02:34:07,170
electronically turn a page it puffs out

3573
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:09,540
a little bit of smell of newsprint oh

3574
02:34:13,881 --> 02:34:11,610
yeah they're talking about that for TV

3575
02:34:16,580 --> 02:34:13,891
now aren't they that's yeah they're

3576
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:16,590
talking about putting smells onto

3577
02:34:20,180 --> 02:34:18,720
advanced television so that when you're

3578
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:20,190
watching you know a jungle movie you're

3579
02:34:30,680 --> 02:34:28,910
you know scratch and sniff baby first

3580
02:34:34,190 --> 02:34:30,690
right now they're trying to sell 3d TVs

3581
02:34:35,780 --> 02:34:34,200
and they're not doing well no who wants

3582
02:34:39,710 --> 02:34:35,790
to see 3d you've gotta wear the glasses

3583
02:34:40,970 --> 02:34:39,720
and the glasses can cost $150 for said

3584
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:40,980
these glasses for some of these sets

3585
02:34:44,750 --> 02:34:42,570
they have what they call passive and

3586
02:34:46,970 --> 02:34:44,760
active passive is what you get free from

3587
02:34:50,810 --> 02:34:46,980
the movie triple Plex you know multiplex

3588
02:34:54,261 --> 02:34:50,820
whatever and active has electronic

3589
02:34:58,551 --> 02:34:54,271
circuitry has to be battery-powered it's

3590
02:35:01,490 --> 02:34:58,561
a mess just gonna work because my dogs

3591
02:35:02,930 --> 02:35:01,500
always doing scratch and sniff and we

3592
02:35:08,511 --> 02:35:02,940
don't want to know where their nose has

3593
02:35:13,551 --> 02:35:08,521
been why do they do that Paul because

3594
02:35:21,770 --> 02:35:13,561
they can milk over him while they're

3595
02:35:26,120 --> 02:35:21,780
lying in the driveway yeah yeah John is

3596
02:35:30,470 --> 02:35:26,130
going isn't ready for the brave new

3597
02:35:32,870 --> 02:35:30,480
world of total electronic journalism and

3598
02:35:33,710 --> 02:35:32,880
media electronics only or a video or

3599
02:35:36,860 --> 02:35:33,720
something like that

3600
02:35:38,390 --> 02:35:36,870
okay Paul banister tell us where we can

3601
02:35:39,881 --> 02:35:38,400
find more of this stuff that you're

3602
02:35:43,761 --> 02:35:39,891
right about

3603
02:35:48,261 --> 02:35:43,771
well the the motherlode of course is

3604
02:35:50,960 --> 02:35:48,271
banister books calm and my book tabloid

3605
02:35:54,051 --> 02:35:50,970
man and the battling chair of death is

3606
02:35:57,320 --> 02:35:54,061
on Amazon as a Kindle and that's

3607
02:36:01,460 --> 02:35:57,330
worldwide that's US UK Australia Germany

3608
02:36:02,930 --> 02:36:01,470
so on it's available in print in the UK

3609
02:36:05,631 --> 02:36:02,940
and it'll be a couple more weeks before

3610
02:36:07,011 --> 02:36:05,641
it's available in print in the US but if

3611
02:36:08,660 --> 02:36:07,021
you go to balance the books calm the

3612
02:36:11,690 --> 02:36:08,670
updates are there you can see it you can

3613
02:36:14,360 --> 02:36:11,700
actually read a sample you can read the

3614
02:36:16,671 --> 02:36:14,370
blog and oh yeah do go and listen to the

3615
02:36:19,580 --> 02:36:16,681
voice of the ghost there's a story there

3616
02:36:20,930 --> 02:36:19,590
we didn't touch on but it's explained on

3617
02:36:23,180 --> 02:36:20,940
this on the home page of the site

3618
02:36:26,210 --> 02:36:23,190
Bannister books calm and you can hear a

3619
02:36:28,400 --> 02:36:26,220
ghost that's intelligent it corrects

3620
02:36:31,940 --> 02:36:28,410
what I say and gives accurate

3621
02:36:34,250 --> 02:36:31,950
information absolutely genuine and just

3622
02:36:36,560 --> 02:36:34,260
gives me chills to think about it smart

3623
02:36:37,430 --> 02:36:36,570
ghosts Chris O'Brien where do we find

3624
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:37,440
more your stuff

3625
02:36:42,801 --> 02:36:40,170
our estranged planet calm and I lurk

3626
02:36:45,500 --> 02:36:42,811
about in the format the para cast calm

3627
02:36:48,921 --> 02:36:45,510
right that's forum dot the power cast

3628
02:36:50,301 --> 02:36:48,931
calm joy not participate while Bannister

3629
02:36:52,520 --> 02:36:50,311
thank you so much for joining us this

3630
02:36:54,290 --> 02:36:52,530
week on the para cast gentlemen the

3631
02:36:56,750 --> 02:36:54,300
Queen sends her regards to you and I do

3632
02:37:08,550 --> 02:36:56,760
too enjoy this I enjoy the show enormous

3633
02:37:12,840 --> 02:37:10,470
and this is a calculated presentation of

3634
02:37:15,430 --> 02:37:12,850
making the impossible incorporated tune

3635
02:37:16,870 --> 02:37:15,440
in next week for a new adventure in